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Brandon Doersken (3m 50s):
We want to be around our kids while they're feeding. They need to be in the proper position feeding and you can reduce so many risks of actually your kid having a severe choking obstruction. And if they were to have it, you need to be right there to take action appropriately.

Katie Ferraro (4m 4s):
Hey there, I'm Katie Ferraro, registered dietitian, college nutrition professor and mom of seven specializing in baby led weaning. Here on the Baby led weaning with Katie Ferraro podcast. I help you strip out all of the noise and nonsense about feeding, giving you the confidence and knowledge you need to give your baby a safe start to solid foods using baby led weaning. What if your baby chokes on food? I know it's something that keeps a lot of parents up at night and would you know exactly what to do? I know the idea of choking on food sounds scary and I'm not asking you this to scare you. That's not my job. I ask it because one of the best things that you can do Before your baby starts solid foods is to learn infant CPR R down pat so that you know how to respond if your baby ever does have a choking incident.

Katie Ferraro (4m 56s):
Now the good news is that choking is rare and the research is clear. Babies who start solid foods with a baby led approach are at no higher risk of choking than are babies who go with the conventional spoonfeeding approach. But that's only true provided if the parents are educated about reducing choking risk. And that education piece is key. That's what I do as a baby led weaning dietician. I help families learn how to safely modify those foods to wait until the baby is ready, how to position the baby safely in the highchair. But choking is a rare but real risk. So we wanna offer those safe foods, we wanna do that safe highchair positioning. We wanna wait until the baby is ready to eat.

Katie Ferraro (5m 37s):
But I also want you to be confident that if something does happen, you will know what to do. My guest today is Brandon Dossin. He's a friend and a colleague that I've worked with for many years. Brandon and his wife Caitlin. They run a family business that teaches CPR and safety courses to families. So I've partnered with Brandon for CPR for many, many years. I recommend I actually take his CPR course every quarter myself to stay current. But I recommend that families take an infant CPR r course before their baby starts solid foods.

Brandon Dossin / family CPR course (6m 11s):
So Brandon's family course for CPR is already really affordable at $35, but I am an affiliate for his course. If you use the code Katie 10, which I'll link up the course in the show notes or the description wherever you're listening or watching to this, you can get an additional $10 off. So for 25 bucks, you and whoever else helps feed your baby can get up to snuff on CPR so that you know what to do in the event that your baby chokes on food because CPR can save your baby's life. But I also in the past created a choking prevention course with Brandon who's a certified CPR instructor. Our other colleague Don Winkleman. So she's a speech language pathologist and pediatric swallowing expert. You might know her, she also does all the feeding gear for easy peasy. So Dawn, who does the swallowing stuff, Brandon who does the choking stuff and me, Katie who does the food stuff, we got together and made a choking prevention course. So we recorded this interview at the time that we launched that course, but the course is still really relevant and the conversation is as well. So I wanted to bring it back 'cause Brandon's gonna share these CPR skills that can save your life. And I'm so excited to be chatting with Brandon because I just want to highlight how important infant CPR R is. I know you took an infant CPR R course back before your baby was born, but that was more than six months ago. If you're starting solid foods now, and I don't know about you but I literally can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning. So the particulars of a CPR class I took six months ago, they don't show up when my baby is, you know, six months down the road. So get your infant refresher CPR course done. Use that code to save $10 on the course.

Katie Ferraro (7m 43s):
And with no further ado, here is Brandon Dosen talking about CPR skills that can save your baby's life.

Brandon Doersken (7m 54s):
Oh man, it's awesome to be on the show. Love what you do.

Katie Ferraro (7m 57s):
Love what you do. I know we talk a lot for like work stuff, but this is cool. It's the first time I've actually had you on the podcast talking about CPR. Tell us a little bit about your business and what You guys do with CPR.

Brandon Doersken (8m 7s):
I have a 4-year-old and a 2-year-old and we care so much about families and about a year ago we were just like, we were in a crossroads for our own family and as we were looking at what we could do to help others, we had been hearing about families wanting to get CPR skills and we figured out a way that we could get these skills to people online, which it's already hard enough. I mean you have a couple kids, you know, you, you know what it's like to get outta the house. I got a few, you got a few.

Katie Ferraro (8m 32s):
No I just have to get a babysitter to go to my CPR R class. And one time I went all the way down to the hospital and the CPR r instructor didn't show and I was livid 'cause I was like, dude, I actually, I have to get two babysitters to leave the house. Like I was pretty mad about it.

Brandon Doersken (8m 42s):
You gotta get two if if you're in your, if you're in kid four hour shoes again you need two babysitters. And so for us when we saw this that parents actually want these lifesaving skills. They wanna know what to do in these emergency situations, which we'll we'll talk a little bit, little bit more about In this episode. But most parents, even though it's a priority, it's not that high of a priority if it's not for their job to get a babysitter and leave the house for a few hours. And so we wanted to come in and create an opportunity for parents to be able to go through a CPR training and get that that base knowledge so that they can know what to do and increase that level of confidence. 'cause all of us, when we, when your spouse gives birth or you have a, you adopt whatever, however you became a parent, you get thrown into the deep end and it's like how do we figure this thing out?

Brandon Doersken (9m 22s):
And so this is like the biggest question, how do I keep my kid alive in an emergency? And for us it's been an honor to try to answer that question for people. One

Katie Ferraro (9m 30s):
Thing my audience is always confused about is like, okay, what are the things I can do to get ready before my baby starts solid foods? 'cause they all wanna start early. I'm like no, you cannot start early. You gotta wait till your baby's six months of age plus showing the other signs of readiness to feed. But on the like checklist of things to do and even actually we have a podcast episode Five things you should be able to do Before Your Baby Starts Solid Foods. And on that list is take our refresher infant CPR course. 'cause I know as a new parent, you know you go to the hospital and you would do a breastfeeding class there, you would do the hospital tour and you would do infant CPR R and then six months later when the baby's ready to start solid foods like I can't even remember what I had for breakfast that day, let alone CPR skills from six months ago. So I always encourage parents to take a refresher CPR course before their baby starts solid foods.

Katie Ferraro (10m 12s):
Especially because what you were paying attention to for those first few days and weeks of life, like what you were freaked out about when before your baby was born is totally different than what you're freaked out about when your baby turns six months of age. So I was wondering If you could talk about a little bit about how important CPR is when you're starting solid foods at or around the six month mark.

Brandon Doersken (10m 31s):
I think it's huge because most things in parenting I wanted to even speak to like how fast-paced our lives are today. And so parents feel this pressure, like you said, you're having to encourage parents, let's wait until we're even seeing signs that kids are ready to feed. And so when, when it comes to these developmental phases for child development, we want parents to be equipped. And so when you're getting ready to introduce solids, most people have this fear, what if my kid chokes? Or what if an emergency happens and they don't know what to do? And so we would put CPR really high up on the list there as something you should know the basics, you should know what to do. The difference between, I know you talk a lot about this gagging and choking, we might go into that a little bit more in the show, but we wanna know what to do if there is a severe airway obstruction and, and CPR, if you're able to attend an an in-person training, that's phenomenal.

Brandon Doersken (11m 18s):
But if you're not, we highly encourage an online resource like the one we've developed so that it's just right up there at the top. Why prevent yourself from knowing that knowledge if it's readily available to you? So that's, that's really our heart.

Katie Ferraro (11m 29s):
I agree with you. And I think that the fear of choking is certainly the biggest barrier to starting solids regardless if you're doing a baby led approach or traditional spoon feeding. And I do remind parents that putting anything in your baby's mouth including a spoon can be a choking hazard. Like the risk of choking is very rare but it is very real. And so having CPR skills will give you the confidence that you know what to do if your baby does have a choking incident. And we do a lot of education around reducing choking risk, but the risk is still there. Does that mean we're gonna refrain from starting solid foods with our babies? No, they need to learn how to eat, they need to learn how to handle different textures. They're very unlikely to choke. But if they do you should have those basic CPR skills. So tell our audience If you can, like how does an online CPR coursework, I mean I know because I take your course literally almost every other month at this point just to refresh and I used to take it every quarter in person pre COVID, but then I got introduced to You guys and to be honest, like I think the online option is so convenient and I was amazed how much you can learn online because I was like, no, you gotta have hands on for CPR but you really don't.

Katie Ferraro (12m 28s):
You guys have done such a great job in your course. What can parents expect when they go to take an online CPR course?

Brandon Doersken (12m 33s):
Well I appreciate the positive feedback there. What people can expect is it's a prerecorded training. So that means that if your schedule is crazy and you only got 30 minutes here or, or you only have a certain window once the kids go to sleep, you're not outta luck. It's not like you missed the training. And so it's prerecorded so you can watch the videos as many times as you want. I know there's certain people that they want to see at one time they're done. There's those people that wanna take their own notes. So there's videos that you can go through and then there's text below it that affirms what you're already learning. So you get the visual, then the written and then there's little quizzes to make sure that you're retaining that information as well as a downloadable book that you can keep to reference on the go. And so you're probably not gonna go reference a CPR training when an emergency is happening, but you can review it when things are calm.

Brandon Doersken (13m 15s):
And so that's what people can expect it. You can actually go through it in under an hour and then go through it. Like you said, you're going through it, you know every other month just to stay fresh. You have access to it to continue to go through it. So it's not like a one and done, it's a prerecorded that you can go through it at your own pace as many times as you deem necessary.

Katie Ferraro (13m 31s):
I have been in a position with lots of kids starting solid foods at one time, so quadruplets and then a year and a half later twins. And so I always have a babysitter or someone there helping me, especially watching the other kids when the baby's learning how to eat. And I always ask my caregivers, not ask them, I require my caregivers to have basic CPR training when they're going to be engaged in either A, watching my kids and certainly b, feeding my kids. And so I've used your courses as a really affordable resource. That was another thing. It's like I think your courses are appropriately priced but they're incredibly affordable for what you get and to have it in the convenience of your own home.

Thrive (14m 7s):
I make my sitters and caregivers do it as well. Yeah, we've had a lot of feedback of people like, I wanna get this for my, for my babysitter, for my nanny. And so that's been a, a big use for the parents that come through the courses like, oh I wanna get this for my, my babysitter as well 'cause I want them to have it. And actually grandparents as well, I get a lot, i I exchange emails sometimes with grandparents, you know, figuring out their logins and everything. And so grandparents are using this as a resource. They're like, I won't be seeing my kids for a few months, but my, my daughter son, they sent me this, said I need to go through it before I hang out with with my grandkids. So I think it's a great resource and not a burden to give to people. But hey, I'd love for you to go through this before watching my kids. It's not passive aggressive. Like I have grandparents buying my baby led weaning courses all the time. Like, well either a, my daughter or daughter-in-law told me I gotta do this and I don't know how to do it or I wanna get these skills and there's a really, really cool online resource to help me do that. So I've been an affiliate for your CPR courses for a while now. I, I only be, I don't do affiliate work for very many companies, just brands that I actually use in my own household and in my own professional life. So I strongly recommend your programs. I also appreciate that you discount the program even further. So actually have a discount code and I'll link to that to get $10 off the program for the online course and you can check that out on the show notes for this episode@blwpodcast.com.

Katie Ferraro (15m 19s):
If you are interested in taking an online CPR course Before your baby starts solid foods,

Brandon Doersken (15m 24s):
One of the things that cannot replace self-education is being attentive. I want to reiterate that like it's not, you don't just take this course and then stop paying attention to your kids. I know for you and what you help parents do is we wanna be around our kids while they're feeding and if they're at they need to be in the proper position feeding and you can reduce so many risks of actually your kid having a severe choking obstruction And if they were to have it, you need to be right there to take action appropriately. But you can't replace, you can't just turn on the TV now 'cause you took the course. You still need to be present when your kids are feeding, which I know is what you encourage to your audience.

Katie Ferraro (15m 58s):
Hey, we're gonna take a quick break but I'll be right back.

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Katie Ferraro (17m 58s):
So Brandon, we all know as parents of children that babies tend to put things that they find into their mouths as they start to explore, especially as they start to crawl, which for most of you'll be the next stage after you start solid foods. From your experience, what are some of the most common choking hazards that can be found in homes for babies?

Brandon Doersken (18m 15s):
That's a great question and there's a lot of things that you wanna think about. Things that are cylindrical, they're circular and they're small. And so if it can fit into a toilet paper roll, which You guys we're all familiar with, then it's small enough that the baby could put it in their mouth and and have a choking issue with that. And so I know we aren't using paper money as much, but coins, paper clips, batteries are a big one because we have 'em laying around sometimes in drawers that are easily accessible. And so one thing that can be really good to do is if, if your kids now crawling around and they're putting things in their mouth is you need to crawl around your home and see what things are accessible when they can start coming up and climbing up and opening drawers. We don't want the circular button shaped batteries for watches. Those are easy to slide down and those actually because batteries have different chemicals and then that can also cause other complications.

Brandon Doersken (19m 1s):
And so you really wanna think through what things are circular buttons. A lot of birthday parties we have, you know you got balloons, you wanna make sure balloons they get popped that the elastic stretchy stuff gets thrown away that looks like a maybe a pacifier or something to chew on. So we wanna get those balloons taken care of. Anything circular that you can picture marbles. And then this is one that's super common because of older kids. You know, you might have a five or 6-year-old in the home that they know what to do with small objects but they need to make, you need to make sure that they're picking up or that their chunkable toys stay in their room or outside of the same room where your eight month old that's crawling around is is located. Those are just some of the basics, but those things, if we look around you can think, oh that's, I could put that in my mouth and choke on that.

Brandon Doersken (19m 42s):
You know your kid, you wanna really take action posting

Katie Ferraro (19m 44s):
Things up. So basically everything.

Brandon Doersken (19m 45s):
So basically, I mean not to overwhelm

Katie Ferraro (19m 47s):
When things aren't moving around,

Brandon Doersken (19m 48s):
Not everything.

Katie Ferraro (19m 49s):
And when you look at the data for non-fatal pediatric choking incident admission to the emergency department, you know we always see the same foods at the top of the list, right? Hot dogs cutting coin shape, popcorn, nuts, seeds, larger seeds that is candy. And then a parent's like roll their eyes like candy, who gives the baby candy? I know you mom are not giving the baby candy, it's the other kid in the house or another kid who comes into the house or the baby's crawling around on the floor and finds it. It's not the actual parent feeding it. We just need to be vigilant. Which sometimes when your baby gets more proficient at self-feeding you're like, oh they got this and you stop paying attention as much and that's where the risk comes in. And knowing CPR is so important and having refresher CPR course is so important.

Katie Ferraro (20m 30s):
And tell us a little bit about the courses that You guys have. If I understand it correctly, there's one access that's lifetime access, is that correct?

Brandon Doersken (20m 38s):
Yeah, so we have a, we actually have CPR and then we have a basic first aid course giving parents some of those, some of those tools to know what to do in certain situations. First aid situations. What we're doing is we're bundling those and parents can actually have an opportunity to gift one of those courses at from times we run different promotions so that you can have lifetime access and gift it to a, to a babysitter or a a grandparent. But we're actually working on a course, you're familiar with this, we're working on a course on the choking prevention side because like we're talking about, so much of this is not like fear of how is my, my kids gonna, you know, something's just gonna appear in their mouth. We wanna prevent, we wanna create safe spaces for our kids and we want to feed our kids properly. We want to pick up around properly. So here at Thrive we actually aren't trying to position ourselves as the experts.

Brandon Doersken (21m 18s):
We're trying to work with other experts such as yourself to produce incredible resources for people to know what to do. So we're working on a choking prevention course with you right now. We're hoping to get that launched so soon and that's really gonna help people have that confidence of, well is this gonna happen? It's like, well we're gonna, we're gonna give you all these reasons on all these ways on how you can prevent this from happening. But if it does, the course does talk about what to do in the case of an emergency.

Katie Ferraro (21m 44s):
And it was really fun working on, I mean as fun as choking can be, it was really fun working with You guys on that program because you already have the whole infrastructure set up. So you have in all of their courses they have the certified trained expert who's teaching the intervention side. And then my friend and colleague Don Winkleman and I, she's a speech language pathologist who specializes in pediatric swallowing. We did the whole prevention side. So how to reduce the risk for choking. 'cause when we look at the data, especially for baby led weaning, we know that babies who start solids with the baby-led approach are at no higher risk of choking than our children who start with traditional spoonfeeding provided that the parents are educated about choking risk. And that's this huge asterisk that's like will parents say, what do I do to reduce choking risk here?

Katie Ferraro (22m 25s):
Take this choking prevention course in a very short period of time, you'll get up to speed on and you'll be surprised, there's a lot of stuff a lot of parents are doing that actually increases choking risk. And it's a few simple tweaks and fixes to know about before you start solid foods or If you already started, you can make that switch to make it a safer experience for your baby to reduce choking risks, which of course in turn increases the likelihood of success with independent feeding. Just having had the first aid course, I feel like I know the basics of what to do and for me it's like when do I go to urgent care slash the ER and when can I take care of this at home? That was one thing that your first aid course really helped me with And it was so comprehensive, really impressive. I mean I recommend the first aid course bundled with the CPR class and again that the discount code KD 10 works for $10 off the bundles as well.

Katie Ferraro (23m 8s):
And I'll link to that for You guys on the show notes for this episode@blwpodcast.com. Okay Brandon, before we go, I have to ask You guys one thing. I am so, so so like enamored with you and your wife. I mean you're nice but your wife is amazing and I like love that You guys can work together 'cause I can't even pay the bills with my husband. Like we just don't work well like in a work work capacity. We work I think Okay as a parenting and couple capacity. But you and Caitlyn like run a business together. Tell me a little bit about how that, how that goes. How's it going? Yeah,

Brandon Doersken (23m 38s):
Well I went on a deep healing journey this last year and a half to understand my emotions and that inside world. And so that is actually what propelled this business to become What it is, is because it allows me to get feedback from my wife on my, I have all these big ideas so I'm the big idea guy and she's like, okay, we actually have to talk with people. We actually have to execute. So we, we really balance back and forth on I'm, I'm up in the clouds a lot and she's like, okay this is how this gets done. And before I would've been like, are you questioning my big ideas? And now I'm just like, okay, tell me what needs to stick, tell me what needs to go. And then we keep moving forward. So we're a pretty dynamic team when we're willing to receive each other's feedback. And that has ultimately what's turned to thrive into what it is today is hearing from each other, taking each other's strengths and running with it.

Brandon Doersken (24m 20s):
But it definitely has its challenges. But some of the perks are we're we're able to be at home with our kids a lot, we're able to travel to see family and we're able to work together to do awesome projects like working with you. So I

Katie Ferraro (24m 30s):
Think it's really cool that You guys work together too. I know like the interview is supposed to be me and Caitlyn. You're like, hey we had a babysitter fall through. Like we switch off and on. My husband and I do that as well. But like it makes things, it's, it's just so hard because you never feel like you're giving a hundred percent to your kids or to your work. I totally understand the struggle and I really appreciate that You guys are doing this at such an affordable price point because I want CPR to be accessible to all parents. It shouldn't be a, well I can't afford it but I have to start solid foods. The price of your online CPR course is $35 and with the $10 off code KD 10 for $25, you can get your CPR skills up to snuff and potentially save your child's life if there's a choking incident. And I also wanted to ask real quick too because I have a lot of parents ask me they have to get CPR for their work and they wanna do it for infant feeding.

Katie Ferraro (25m 18s):
Do you offer certifications for people who may require that for work?

Brandon Doersken (25m 23s):
Absolutely. There's so many different requirements depending on your work. If your work requires you to have a hands-on skills assessment, we would be what would be considered the knowledge learning portion of a certification. So just check with your employer first. If you end up going through the course, loving it, but your employer does not accept it for whatever reason, we can get you a refund if you're getting it for certification purposes. But yes it does. It does provide the knowledge certification for CPR and a lot of professions nowadays are actually allowing you to do that just online to get your your skills in your mind up to date. But If you do need a hands-on skills assessment, you'll need to do that in person. But we can, we can do the knowledge portion

Katie Ferraro (25m 58s):
And your customer service is insane. I have referred so many parents over the years to your programs. I think one mom wrote to me and was like, they said it was certified and my work doesn't certify it. And Brandon, you personally worked with her and her employer to explain to them, yes this is certified for whatever You guys need. And she wrote back to me and was like, thank you so much. Like I really didn't expect that the owner of the business was gonna help me deal directly with my employer. I know you can't do that for every employee 'cause You guys gotten really big. But I do just wanna say like you have a great reputation as far as customer service goes in delivering a quality product.

Brandon Doersken (26m 27s):
Thank you. We wanna treat everybody like family. We're serving families, so we gotta gotta treat everybody like family.

Katie Ferraro (26m 32s):
Well Brandon, thank you so much for joining me. It's been such a pleasure to talk to you and thanks for making CPR accessible and doable and like also short, like I was kind of dreading that I was gonna take all day the first time I took your course and it's, you don't mince words is all I'll say.

Brandon Doersken (26m 44s):
Well, it's an honor to be on the show and thank you so much for all the positive feedback and love and for sending so much of your audience to come take a look at what we're doing. We feel honored to partner with you and love what you're doing and are excited for all of our projects together in the future.

Katie Ferraro (26m 58s):
Well, I hope You guys enjoyed that interview with Brandon Doersken. I love chatting with him about CPR.

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Katie Ferraro (28m 14s):
Thanks for listening. I'll see you next time.