Keeping Kosher with Baby-Led Weaning: 100 First Foods with Jackie Laniado Sutton, RD

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Jackie Laniado Sutton (4m 40s):

Of course, making sure that the foods that we offer are co-chair, right? 'cause we keep kosher at our house. So it's not like a barrier to baby led winning. But when you're following the hundred first Foods framework, you kind of have to modify some things here and there. So for example, we did not combine any dairy foods with meat foods, but I did use like veggie broth or the broth where the meat was boiled in. You can't do like cream and meat. So basically not combining those things.

Katie Ferraro (5m 12s):

Hey there, I'm Katie Ferraro, registered dietitian, college nutrition professor and mom of seven specializing in baby-led weaning here on the baby-led weaning with Katie Ferraro podcast. I help you strip out all of the noise and nonsense about feeding, giving you the confidence and knowledge you need to give your baby a safe start to solid foods using baby led weaning. I love talking to moms who are in the thick of it with baby led weaning, like they're in the kitchen making the foods for their babies. And today's guest is right there along with you guys. Her name is Jackie Lato Sutton. Jackie is a dietitian. She's also a new mom.

Katie Ferraro (5m 53s):

She was my dietetic intern a number of years ago, like top 1% of all dietitians. She's based here in San Diego where I also live. I loved working with her when she was an intern. Then she worked for me for a couple of years when she became a dietitian. Then she got married, she had a baby. So she's like, of course I'm doing a hundred first foods. And baby led weaning, she also keeps kosher. So she made some modifications to the hundred first foods list. And there were other moms in my program that were asking, how do you do this program if you're kosher? And Jackie had been helping 'em out. So I said, okay, you come on the podcast and share some of the things that you did to keep kosher while doing the hundred first foods list. So she made her way through baby led weaning her daughter Alexandria's now 14 months old, but she's gonna take us back in time to when she started Solid Foods.

Katie Ferraro (6m 39s):

If you have ever wondered how baby-led weaning works when you're keeping kosher or how you can modify the hundred first foods list to fit your family's dietary practices, you are going to love this conversation. Jackie is a prenatal dietitian. So she offers one-on-one counseling as well as group services for moms who are trying to get their nutrition stuff in order before they have a baby, check her out online@dietitianjackie.com. She's also on Instagram at dietitian Jackie. And with no further ado, here's Jackie Ato Sutton talking about how to keep kosher with baby led weaning doing the hundred first foods approach.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (7m 21s):

One really funny story that I have when I was doing baby led weaning with my daughter is that I gave her the try a new fruit. And this fruit is mame. So this fruit is popular in Mexico, usually in season August, September. And the funny story is that I hate this fruit. I really don't like it. I've had in several presentations throughout my life and I just hate it. I, I don't care about the texture, but it's just the flavor, not for me, but of course I'm gonna give it to my daughter. I want her to try new textures, new foods. Perfect. So I put her in her highchair, I scoop out the Mame, I give it to her and she just has the biggest gag possible I've ever seen her do.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (8m 11s):

She absolutely hated this fruit. And so this was a surprise for me because you know what, maybe there's like a genetic component. You're

Katie Ferraro (8m 19s):

Like, this really is my baby.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (8m 21s):

Yeah. Like I never told her I hate this fruit. And she just has the biggest gag. So you know, as you always say, you wanna reintroduce them over and over again. One time doesn't mean they don't like it, right? Happens like five more times and I'm like, okay, this really is my daughter No more Mame for you.

Katie Ferraro (8m 40s):

Do you think it's like one of those foods like cilantro where people really have a genetic predisposition? Like some people do think cilantro tastes like soap. Like is it like that with that food?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (8m 49s):

I don't think so because like I'm the only weirdo that doesn't like it around the people I know of. Okay.

Katie Ferraro (8m 54s):

You and your daughter. I, I love that you guys shared that together. All right Jackie, tell me why you decided to do baby led weaning with your daughter. Because I know not everyone in your family, not everybody in your friend group, like they're not all on board with it. Like what was the thing for you that you're like, oh I'm definitely gonna do baby led weaning?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (9m 12s):

Honestly, this is such an easy one. You know, I'm a dietitian. When I was doing my dietetic internship, one of my rotations was with you. So I got to see all the insights into baby led winning. I got

Katie Ferraro (9m 23s):

You were like top 1% of all dietetic interns for the record, I remember you were just getting married then. I can't believe you have a baby now. Like it's crazy. That feels like so long ago, but not so long ago

Jackie Laniado Sutton (9m 34s):

Ago. But anyway, so I got to see like all these babies eat amazing foods and learn the science and everything behind it. So that was like my aha moment where I was like, okay, when I have kids, this is going to be the way that I'm gonna introduce solid foods. And then of course when I was doing my internship and all that, I told my husband about this method. So there was like no question. We just knew that when the time came six months sitting up, all the readiness signs, baby led winning was the way to go. See,

Katie Ferraro (10m 8s):

I think a lot of people say they're gonna do baby led weaning, but then when it comes down to like brass tacks and you're sitting there, the fear, the anxiety, it just overwhelms you and a lot of parents like, I can't do it. So take us back to when your daughter was six months of age and you guys were getting ready to start solid foods. Do you remember what that felt like? Were there fears or concerns that you had that you were like, Ooh, I don't really know if we're gonna be able to do this?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (10m 34s):

Yeah, of course they were like fears and concerns because you can watch other babies and you can know all the textbook information, but when it comes down to like your baby and you're like sitting there, you're like, oh my gosh, I, I, I hope I'm doing this right. But I think that definitely seeing other babies' videos, watching babies eat in real life gave me that confidence to be like, okay, she knows what she's doing, she knows how to bring the food to her mouth. She is registering what's getting into her mouth and she's gonna know when to swallow. So that really helped me out. I know that my family, like my in-laws and my parents weren't super into it.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (11m 19s):

I know that's a big challenge for a lot of people, but I just had to remind them and keep reminding myself that the baby is the one that's in control and they know what they're doing. So I feel like reminding that to me and to themselves and also like not to scare the baby, that's a big one. Like, no, no, don't put that in your mouth. Like, you know, just let them do their natural process. That helped a lot to like wind down. And of course as weeks progressed they get more confident and you get more confident in watching them do it.

Katie Ferraro (11m 53s):

Do you, you remember what the first food you did was? And what did you feel like on that first day when your daughter was trying her first solid food?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (12m 1s):

So we did avocado for the first solid food and we offered in three different textures. So we did like, like a smoothie with breast milk. We did just mashed avocado and then we did strips of avocado and avocado is still one of her her favorite foods today. And what I felt, I felt very excited, honestly I think I wasn't ready for the mess, but I felt very excited. But I was surprised that not a lot happens on the very first days, right? So she played more with the food than she put it in her mouth.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (12m 43s):

So I feel like that's also like a very beginning stages of the winning. It's not that exciting. They are exploring the textures, they're exploring the colors, maybe getting a hint of the flavor, but they're not actually like eating. So I feel like I was super excited and then nothing happened but,

Katie Ferraro (13m 2s):

But I feel like you knew to expect that and like I know I, you guys were really successful at breastfeeding and I know at first it was really hard and then you stuck with it and you and your daughter had a really good experience with breastfeeding. And I'm working on my I-B-C-L-C right now like I was telling you. So I'm kind of obsessed with like all things related to breastfeeding education and really studying how like the breastfeeding education model, we can apply some of that to starting solid foods. And if you look at like anticipatory guidance, like we know from the data that moms who take a prenatal breastfeeding class have much greater success rates and lower rates of early cessation of breastfeeding if they take a breastfeeding class before they have solid foods or before they have the baby rather because like you know what's gonna go wrong and then you know what to anticipate when that happens.

Katie Ferraro (13m 46s):

Same thing with you though. Like you'd obviously we'd worked together and you'd seen a lot of babies starting solid foods and you'd studied it and you're a registered dietitian. So like when your own baby didn't eat a lot of food on day one, you didn't freak out and give up. You were like, wait a minute, I knew this was going to happen. I know she's still getting breast milk, the baby's the one leading the way. And you really had like that patience factor built in. How long would you say it really took your daughter till she got the hang of solid foods where you maybe even noticed that she started to be less interested in breast milk and more interested in eating solid foods

Jackie Laniado Sutton (14m 19s):

At the nine month mark? That's like prime time when she was eating all the foods. And maybe that's when I saw that shift in getting more salt foods and less, less milk. But like in the first three to four weeks of baby lit winging, I could tell like the big difference from eating nothing to actually like getting the food on on her like mouth and swallow.

Katie Ferraro (14m 45s):

But it was like 12 weeks literally till you saw that shift. And that's, I mean that's a lot of time. There's a lot of parents that would not stick with like, what I'm making this food and my baby's not eating a ton of it. And we teach all sorts of ways to minimize the food waste. We're we're not wasting food. Your baby's actually learning a lot even though they may not be quote unquote eating a lot during each of these experiences. So I wanted to ask you a little bit about keeping kosher. So your family keeps kosher and I had known Nat about your family and you had my hundred first foods list. And then I remember there was another mom in our program who was like, wait a minute, I'm kosher. And I was like, oh could you please talk to Jackie because she is a dietitian mom who knows about all of this.

Katie Ferraro (15m 26s):

Talk to us a little bit about how keeping Kosher influenced the way that you approached starting solid foods with your daughter.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (15m 34s):

Of course, making sure that the foods that we offer are kosher, right? Because we keep kosher at our house. So it's not like a barrier to baby led winning, but when you're following the hundred first foods framework, you kind of have to modify some things here and there. So for example, we did not combine any dairy foods with meat foods. So I know one of the like good ways to introduce meat to early eaters is by pureing meat with milk. So this is something that we didn't do but I did use like veggie broth or the broth where the meat was boiled in. So those kinds of things you can't do like cream and meat.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (16m 17s):

So basically not combining those things.

Katie Ferraro (16m 20s):

Hey, we're gonna take a quick break but I'll be right back.

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Katie Ferraro (16m 59s):

Can I ask if breast milk council, like if we have a pureed beef brisket recipe and for the phase one early eaters, if you're pureing it with breast milk, you would not pure it with breast milk. That's technically a dairy food.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (17m 12s):

It's a dairy food but it's not coming from like the animal food. So I think that this would be a good question to ask a rabbi. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable.

Katie Ferraro (17m 22s):

The rabbis probably don't know a lot about breast milk, but I'm just, yeah,

Jackie Laniado Sutton (17m 26s):

But that's like a question that you would ask a rabbi, but I personally don't feel comfortable mixing the milk with the meat got

Katie Ferraro (17m 34s):

So you would just skip that step anyway. And sorry, as a Catholic, I think I just made a very uninformed statement because rabbis can be female. Am I correct?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (17m 43s):

So depending on the branch of Judaism. Okay, so like reform Judaism, there's female rabbis. Okay.

Katie Ferraro (17m 50s):

I believe. Okay. So they might know something about breast milk. I take that back.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (17m 53s):

Okay,

Katie Ferraro (17m 54s):

Okay. Okay. But personally you would not take your breast milk and mix it with me?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (17m 59s):

No I wouldn't. Gotcha.

Katie Ferraro (18m 0s):

Okay. So now what about the actual like meat foods because you had worked and helped me obviously over the years on our hundred first foods list it's pretty set. I don't change the foods on the hundred first foods list, but obviously parents make lots of modifications to the foods on the list. Either that's for food allergies or seasonal availability or in your case what foods on that list were you just like Uhuh, that's a no-go. We're not eating that food.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (18m 24s):

First of all, the entire shellfish category is a no-go. That's I think there's four shellfish on on on the hundred first foods list. And then the other food that's not kosher is pork, so that's six. However, duck and bison can technically be kosher, but I've never eaten duck in my entire life. I don't think I've ever seen kosher duck like offered at stores or kosher restaurants or anything. And same with bison, like I've never seen kosher bison offered. So because of that I also like substituted those foods. The one meat that I did add that's not on the list that is kosher is vo.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (19m 6s):

So like okay,

Katie Ferraro (19m 7s):

We get a lot of questions like why isn't VO on your hundred first foods list? And like to be honest, so the hundred first foods list, you know my like you dietitian, little type a love symmetry, there's five food groups in the hundred first foods list and each group has 20 foods. So there's 20 fruits, there's 20 vegetables, there's 20 starchy foods, 20 protein foods, and 20 allergenic foods. So for those of you that have the hundred first foods list, if it's on your refrigerator, you see those food groups. And then we do one food from each of the groups each week. So a new fruit on Monday, a new vegetable on Tuesday, a new starchy food on Wednesday, a protein on Thursday, and an allergenic food on Friday. So the way my five step feeding framework works is you're offering one new food each day that's five foods a week, that's 20 foods a month.

Katie Ferraro (19m 50s):

And in five short months your child, like Jackie's daughter does a hundred foods. I mean it's pretty mathematical the way it works out when it comes to the protein category. You know, we want this to work for families who eat animal foods or for families who don't. So we actually just took the protein category of 20 foods and divided it so there's 10 plant protein foods and 10 animal protein foods for families that don't eat meat. Take those animal ones out and put in more plant proteins for families. I don't know families who don't eat plant proteins, but whatever. I mean you could add additional meats. So you know, there's a point where, you know, we ran out a room and so we didn't do veal but for no other reason than, well it's a baby cow and people sometimes don't like the idea of feeding their babies other babies and I get that, I get that.

Katie Ferraro (20m 33s):

But so you could get access to kosher reveal. So you just decided and and tell us how did you prepare the kosher reveal for your daughter so that it was safe for baby lead weaning?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (20m 44s):

So actually it was my grandmother that made it, we were awesome Mexico ago, that's where my family's from and she made veal ribs and that was when Alexandra didn't have any teeth yet. So I just took the bone out and then used my fingers to shred it a little bit and she slow cooks it in the oven with some sort of sauce. So I asked her to do like a low sodium, low salt broth for her, like a different Rex and yeah, like it literally melted in your mouth. So it was like the perfect texture for baby lip. And

Katie Ferraro (21m 23s):

What was your grandma's reaction? Like you said your family wasn't super on board with baby led wing and I know at this time you were traveling a lot to Mexico with your baby when she started solid foods. So how did your family react to her being able to eat all these foods?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (21m 36s):

Oh my gosh. It was just like the star of of the table. Like everyone was like, oh my gosh, she's eating beer. Look at that. Especially my grandma, like when my daughter was born, she always told me like I can't wait until she eats my soups. I can't wait until she eats my food. So it was like prime time for her. She was so happy that, that she was able to like eat her prepared food and that she,

Katie Ferraro (22m 4s):

I love when the grandmas come, come around, especially when they're a little skeptical to begin with. So, okay. Where do you procure kosher meats from? Because the meats have to be specially prepared by a rabbi. If you keep kosher,

Jackie Laniado Sutton (22m 18s):

There are special kosher stores. Usually if like someone keeps kosher, the probability that they live in like a Jewish area with kosher food and kosher stores available is more likely. However, for example, trader Joe's does offer like a kosher chicken, kosher meat Turkey this time of the year. But yeah, so basically you would want to go to like a kosher store to get different cuts of meat and different kosher products, kosher cheese. 'cause most soft cheeses in the US do have a kosher seal. And soft cheeses are the ones that we start baby lit wing with because they're a nice texture for babies, hard cheeses, they're harder to find kosher.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (23m 7s):

So you would have to go to like a kosher store to get a kosher hard cheese.

Katie Ferraro (23m 12s):

Let's talk about the shellfish because when we talk about the top nine allergenic foods, so those are the nine foods that account for about 90% of food allergy in North America. We know that the data shows us that offering those allergenic foods early and often has the potential to lower your baby's risk of food allergy. So of the top nine there's, you know, there's peanut and egg, there's cow's milk, there's fish and shellfish, those are two separate categories. And there's tree nut, there's wheat, there's soy, and there's sesame. So fish and shellfish, two separate categories. You were fine with fish. So I, I know you guys did like sardines and I think you did white fish. We have tuna and fatty fish on the list, but there's four types of shellfish that are on the hundred first foods list.

Katie Ferraro (23m 54s):

So clams, crab, lobster and shrimp. And that's four different ways that you can introduce your baby to the potentially allergenic food category, which is shellfish. Now of course there's lots of different types of shellfish, but categorically if you keep kosher you're not doing any shellfish at all. Correct?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (24m 10s):

Correct.

Katie Ferraro (24m 12s):

And so you are down the road just like if your daughter decides to keep kosher for the rest of her life, there's no real risk of shellfish allergy 'cause she won't eat that, right? Is that the assumption?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (24m 24s):

That is the assumption.

Katie Ferraro (24m 25s):

Okay. Have you, have you ever eaten shellfish in your life?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (24m 29s):

I think I tried to shrimp once accidentally. Oh

Katie Ferraro (24m 32s):

Okay. Yeah. And no adverse reaction.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (24m 36s):

No adverse reaction.

Katie Ferraro (24m 37s):

How did she do with the other allergenic food categories? 'cause I know you did the other eight. Did she have any food allergy reactions? She did

Jackie Laniado Sutton (24m 43s):

So good, thank goodness there wasn't any reaction. But I think I did tell you this a while back, she didn't have like an allergic reaction but she did break out a little bit like mild hyped with eggplant. Like eggplant, like ade vegetable egg. Yeah. But that was just like one time. Okay.

Katie Ferraro (24m 59s):

And I have a, we have a whole podcast episode that we did with Dr. David Succus about nightshades 'cause there's a lot of confusion if your baby has some contact dermatitis from eggplant are they quote unquote allergic to eggplant. And I wanna share that that'll be in the show notes or wherever you're watching or listening if you have this now you've done eggplant again with your daughter since then and does she Yeah, no problem. Have that continued reaction. No problem. Okay, so you guys are fine on that. Awesome. And what did her hundredth food end up being? What'd you guys, because a lot of times I do lobster if I'm celebrating with the baby but you guys aren't doing shellfish so what was your hundredth food?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (25m 31s):

The hundredth food was pumpkin because that's like when they just started selling the camp pumpkin into the season. So, so her last food from the hundred First Foods Liz was pumpkin.

Katie Ferraro (25m 44s):

Oh that is wonderful. Okay. What advice would you have Jackie for other kosher observant families who want to try baby lead weaning?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (25m 52s):

So I would say go for it. Honestly, if you keep kosher at home, there's really like kosher is not a barrier for baby led winning. And I don't think it's like a challenge either. You just have to keep doing what you're doing, offering the same foods that you're eating in modified safe ways for texture and like low sodium for your baby to eat and just go for it. I would definitely recommend that you get some baby led winning education like Katie's course. Amazing. So that way you can feel more confident in your choices and how you offer and what you offer, how to prepare all of that. And yeah, just take out the things that don't work for you, add in the ones that do and go for it.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (26m 35s):

It's totally worth it.

Katie Ferraro (26m 37s):

Flexibility is so important when you're a parent. And I love how like you just kind of fell into like the breastfeeding thing. I know you guys worked really hard at it and I remember you texting me, this is the hardest thing I've ever done and I'm so proud of you for sticking with it. And you know it's funny 'cause I am working on my I-B-C-L-C and part of the reason why is 'cause actually a lot of times it's the moms who are very good at breastfeeding that actually struggle the most with starting solid foods 'cause they find it really hard to let go. So I was wondering if you also had any words of advice for our breastfeeding moms who are starting solid foods who feel like, oh I'm good, we're breastfeeding. Like everything's fine. You know, they don't always want to switch up the schedule and start solid foods. Any thoughts there? 'cause I know you kind of mourn that loss of that connection.

Katie Ferraro (27m 19s):

You, you continued and there's benefits to extended breastfeeding of course, but like what should those moms do?

Jackie Laniado Sutton (27m 24s):

I just wanna say like eventually your baby needs to eat like solid foods and because you're starting solid foods, that doesn't mean you have to give up breastfeeding like you can and totally should if you want continue doing both and it's not one of the others, they can coexist. So again, like you said, just be flexible and add this new opportunity to continue breastfeeding, but also offering new foods that's gonna give new benefits to your baby in all different areas. Right? Like developmental, nutritional, all different areas

Katie Ferraro (28m 1s):

And the importance of education. I think we both can't stress enough. Jackie and I are both dietitians. I think it's important to learn about starting solid foods before you start solid foods. Absolutely. So that you really understand what changes are coming down the pike. And I think it's also important to learn about prenatal nutrition and Jackie is a prenatal dietitian. She specializes in helping moms get themselves in shape from a nutritional standpoint before they have babies. Jackie, could you tell us a little bit about the work that you do and where our audience can go to learn more about your work and also to support your small business,

Jackie Laniado Sutton (28m 35s):

Small business? Yeah, absolutely. So I'm a prenatal dietitian like you said. So basically what I do is I help pregnant women or women who want to get pregnant, get ready for pregnancy, nutritionally manage symptoms, make sure that the foods that they're eating are going to be the best to build a healthy baby and that they're confident in their choices. I know there's a lot of noise around what you can and can't have. So I help with that. If you're dealing with any symptoms with pregnancy, I nutritionally you can just do so many things. So that's another thing. And you can find me on my website@dietitianjackie.com and I'm currently taking on new one-on-one clients online so you can be anywhere.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (29m 24s):

And also you can find me on Instagram at dietitian Jackie. I do offer in person and online workshops where just stay on the lookout to see if you can attend. Yeah.

Katie Ferraro (29m 34s):

And Jackie's based in San Diego where I am too. So I'm fortunate to live by her. But you also spend a lot of time in Mexico and you speak Spanish as well. So I think that's important for our audience.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (29m 45s):

Yeah, anyone one One Spanish session.

Katie Ferraro (29m 48s):

Exactly. She helped me with a lot of our materials for baby led weaning because a lot of moms ask me, you know, can you help with translation, et cetera. So thank you for telling all of your friends about baby led weaning. I'm telling all my friends about your prenatal nutrition options and thank you for sharing your thoughts about keeping kosher and doing baby led weaning and really just stressing the importance of being flexible and doing the parts of it that work for you and leaving the parts out that don't like the fruit that your daughter didn't like, which will never be on the hundred first foods list. Don't worry, Jackie,

Jackie Laniado Sutton (30m 14s):

Thank you. No, thank you so much for having me. This was great and I hope this helps anyone who keeps kosher move forward with baby led winging.

Katie Ferraro (30m 24s):

Awesome. Thank you Jackie.

Jackie Laniado Sutton (30m 26s):

Thank you.

Katie Ferraro (30m 27s):

Well, I hope you guys enjoyed that interview with Jackie Lato Sutton. Again, she's a prenatal dietitian, so if you need help getting your nutrition stuff in order before your next baby, check her out online@dietitianjackie.com. She's also on Instagram at dietitian Jackie. I'll put all of the links to the resources she talked about as well as if you wanna grab that 100 first foods list that she worked her way through and has been helping other moms in our program who are keeping kosher, making those modifications, you can grab a copy of that a 100 first foods list on my free online workshop called Baby Led Weaning for Beginners. You could sign up for that@babyledweaning.co/workshop or if you wanna hop right into the program and learn how to make all of the foods on the 100 first foods list safe for your baby's age and stage, come check out my program baby led weaning with Katie Ferraro that's at baby led weaning.co/program.

Katie Ferraro (31m 15s):

You can use the code BW pod 50 to join today at $50 off. Again, that's baby led weaning.co/program and that code is BW Pod 50 for $50 off. The show notes today will be located@blwpodcast.com slash 80 or all the links to everything I mentioned is in the description wherever you're watching or listening to this.

Airwave Media (31m 38s):

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Katie Ferraro (31m 52s):

Thanks so much for listening, I'll see you next time.

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