Pumpkin: 5 Easy Ways Your Baby Can Safely Eat Pumpkin

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Katie Ferraro (3m 58s):

and with can pumpkin. Like if you do not feel like cutting up pumpkin and scooping the seeds out and dealing with roasting it, that's fine. Can pumpkin available year round? Just be careful when you're in the aisle though that you're getting the pure pumpkin puree, right? You don't want the pumpkin pie mix. The pumpkin pie mix, it looks like very similar from the canned food standpoint, except the pumpkin pie mix has added sugar, which of course your baby doesn't want or need. But the a hundred percent pumpkin puree is a fantastic way to introduce your baby to pumpkin. And I use that in a lot of these recipes that I'm talking about 'cause it's available year round and it's a great way to get your baby to try the new food pumpkin. Hey there.

Katie Ferraro (4m 38s):

I'm Katie Ferraro, registered dietitian, college nutrition professor and mom of seven specializing in baby-led weaning. Here on the baby-led weaning with Katie Ferraro podcast. I help you strip out all of the noise and nonsense about feeding, giving you the confidence and knowledge you need to give your baby a safe start to solid foods using baby-led weaning. Hello and welcome back. Today we're talking about pumpkin. I've got five super easy ways that you can make pumpkin safe for your baby to eat. At the time of this recording, it is peak pumpkin season, but even whenever you're listening to this, if it's not pumpkin time, I still got some easy ways that your baby can try pumpkin.

Katie Ferraro (5m 22s):

If you're feeling stuck on like broccoli and carrots and you're like, I need some more creative vegetables for my baby to eat, do not sleep on pumpkin. It is super nutritious, a really cool texture, especially if you make it and one of the creative ways that I'm gonna talk about in today's episode. But I know personally I don't like love carving jack-o lanterns with my kids. I have a hard start to the Halloween season. We are not allowed to do anything Halloween related prior to October 1st, but my kids are always begging me to like cut up the pumpkin and make the jack-o lantern and I'm like, I don't wanna do it until as close to Halloween as possible because then you get like a moldy jack-o-lantern sitting around your house and they're like, but you'll cut up pumpkins for babies all day long. I'm like, yes, that is true.

Katie Ferraro (6m 3s):

I love roasting pumpkin for baby-led weaning. So I'm gonna share in today's episode five easy ways that you can help your baby safely eat Pumpkin. Pumpkin is one of the 20 vegetables on my 100 first foods list. So if you've got that 100 first foods list, print it out and it's on your fridge and you're checking off the foods so your baby can eat a 100 foods before they turn one. If you've been feeling stuck on pumpkin or you've been avoiding it, there's no reason to do that after today. If you don't yet have a copy of that 100 first foods list, I want you to grab it. I give it away to everybody on my free online workshop called Baby-Led Weaning for Beginners. Everybody on that workshop gets a copy of that original a 100 first foods list. It's a one hour online video training workshop that will show you all the ins and outs of how to do baby-led weaning safely.

Katie Ferraro (6m 48s):

So this is the best place to get started learning about how to do baby-led weaning. You can sign up for that workshop and get your copy of the 100 first foods list for your fridge and your baby. Do that@babyledweaning.co/workshop. So let's dive in looking at five easy ways your baby can safely eat pumpkin. And I'm gonna go through five different recipe ideas today and I want you to know that all of these recipes are linked up in a free feeding guide that you can download. It's called Five Baby-Led Weaning Pumpkin Recipes. You can grab that, it's on my website on the resources page. So if you go to baby led weaning.co/resources, scroll to pumpkin, you can put your email address in, download that whole free feeding guide and those five baby-led weaning recipes.

Katie Ferraro (7m 35s):

The ideas that I'm talking about today, the actual recipes will show up in your email inbox. Again, that's at baby-led weaning.co/resources. So I'd like to start each of these mini solo, baby-led weaning training episodes with a tip of the day. Today's tip is pumpkins are safe for babies to eat. But as with all beta carotene containing foods, so beta carotene is a form of vitamin A. If you overdo it. Like if you baby eats tons and tons and tons of like carrots or pumpkin, let's say too much beta-carotene from dark orange fruits and vegetables like pumpkins. Pumpkins are a vegetable, not a fruit, but too much beta-carotene can actually turn your baby's skin orange.

Katie Ferraro (8m 17s):

It's kind of wild, okay? I've never actually seen it in real life in an actual real life baby. It's something that we kind of see like in nutrition textbooks, it's relatively harmless, don't worry about it. But as with all things, you know, too much of a good thing is not a good thing. So there is vitamin a beta-carotene form in pumpkin, but you know, don't overdo it 'cause we don't wanna turn your baby's skin orange from this. A few pumpkin fun facts before we get started. 80% of the US pumpkin supply is available in October, okay? But canned pumpkin, as you're gonna learn about today, which is an invaluable source of nutrition, is always available year round. Now, pumpkins are a fruit, they're not a vegetable. So on my 100 first foods list, I think I put them under vegetable because you know, botanically, they may be a fruit, but I think like to most people, we consider them to be a vegetable.

Katie Ferraro (9m 3s):

They're definitely not sweet though. They're in the vegetable category on the 100 first foods list from a nutritional standpoint, they've got a really, really great amount of vitamin A as well as fiber and a variety of other vitamins and minerals in there as well. I was shocked to learn that Illinois is the largest producer of pumpkins in the United States. So we go on Illinois. Good for you. We've got, I mentioned the fiber in there, there's a pretty good amount of carbohydrate, you know, energy source for your baby in there. You've got a cool stringy texture if you actually are gonna be roasting some of these different pumpkins at home. But I want to get into the five different ways that you can make pumpkin safe for your baby to eat. Now, I mentioned roast pumpkin, okay, with roast pumpkin, some people are like, wait, are you talking about like actually just cooking the pumpkin?

Katie Ferraro (9m 50s):

Like the one that you would have for your kids, for your jack-o-lantern? You definitely can. Those are edible if you want to. I personally, the flavor of those is fine. It's kind of a little bit more on the bland side. If you go, you know, it depends where you grocery shop, but like in October, if you're maybe the end of September, I know like marketers love to start marketing Halloween in the freaking middle of summer at this point. I like the sugar pumpkins, like the smaller ones that you use for making pumpkin pie. They're so delicious, they're really, really full of flavor. But at the end of the day, you can also just take like the jack-o lantern pumpkins. You can roast those, cook those as well if you want to. So when it comes to roasting a pumpkin, okay, what I do is I preheat the oven to 375.

Katie Ferraro (10m 31s):

I always rinse the pumpkin under running water, cut the top and the bottom off. I cut it in half. Long wise, literally sometimes depending if your pumpkin's really big, like sometimes I can't even like get through it myself. My husband oftentimes will help me with, if we're doing a bunch of pumpkins at once, I'll scoop the seeds out. I don't feed the seeds to babies, I save 'em for my bigger kids or reserve 'em for a different use. But what I'll do is I'll place the pumpkin skin side down. So flesh side up on a baking sheet, and then I use my hand or a brush and then I coat the pumpkin flesh with cooking oil. So like whatever type of cooking oil you're using at home works fine, bake it for about 90 minutes or basically until it's fork tender and then I remove it from the oven and then I'll cool that pumpkin until it's just cool enough so you can handle it with your bare hands.

Katie Ferraro (11m 12s):

Kind of like the same way I do sweet potatoes, like you want it to be cool enough so you're not burning your hands when you touch the skin, but you don't want it to get cold because then you can't easily peel the skin off. So the goal is to get it like cool enough so you can handle it and then you can just very easily peel the skin off, you discard the skin. We don't feed that tough fibrous outer skin to the baby, but then that nice soft flesh that's left in the middle, okay, what I do is I'll, I'll scoop out any of the really stringy, fibrous part, you know that's gonna not pass the squish test. So the squish test is if you squeeze the flesh of the pumpkin between your finger and your thumb, there should be some give, okay? If it's not nice and soft, then I'll discard that kind of stringy fibers part that comes kind of right from the middle where the seeds are.

Katie Ferraro (11m 54s):

But the middle part, right in the middle, the nice soft flushy part, I cut that into pieces about the size of my adult pinky finger. I put those strips of cooked pumpkin in a suction mat or bowl and then the baby can pick it up and feed it to themselves. So that's a great easy way to do a finger food. If you've got pumpkins that you have access to, if you're growing them yourself or you're out at a pumpkin patch or you see 'em in the grocery store, grab them, roast them. Just don't do the seeds or don't do the skin. And it makes a lot of pumpkin depending upon the size of your pumpkin. So you got a lot left over. I don't generally freeze pumpkin. It's a very high water content food. It kind of has this weird texture when you defrost it. So I'll refrigerate it for up to a week and offering the baby pumpkin, you know, as often as you can.

Katie Ferraro (12m 36s):

You can also puree it and freeze it then indefinitely if you'd like to. But the finger foods I've just found when you freeze it, the sticks and then try to defrost it, nah, the texture's not so awesome. So if you want the actual instructions for that recipe, again, it's in that free feeding guide, five pumpkin recipes for baby lead weaning and you can grab that@babyleadweaning.co/resources. Hey, we're gonna take a quick break, but I'll be right back.

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Katie Ferraro (15m 12s):

Next up, idea number two, pumpkin oatmeal. I love oatmeal as basically a vehicle for offering your baby any type of new food. Lots of different types of new foods can go into oatmeal. If you go back to episode 47, back in episode 47, I talked all about oatmeal and how you make oatmeal safe for your baby. Talked a little bit about, hey, it's a great way to introduce your baby to pumpkin, and you can do that by offering your baby some canned pumpkin in the oatmeal. So you can add almost anything to oatmeal, but pumpkin oatmeal is one of my favorites for baby lead wing. And what I generally do is I'll substitute anywhere between a quarter to a half of the liquid in your typical oatmeal recipe for canned pumpkin.

Katie Ferraro (15m 55s):

So generally we do a two to one ratio of liquid to oatmeal. So let's say you're gonna make, I'm gonna keep the numbers even and easy, okay? So parents are like, you always give the biggest recipes. I can tell you have seven kids, you make too much food. And then some parents are like, your recipe sizes aren't big enough and I don't have enough for leftovers, so I can't make all the people happy all the time. But let's say you have one cup of plain old fashioned quick cookie notes or cookie goats, one cup of oatmeal to two cups of fluid, okay? And you can use whole milk, you could use breast milk, you can use formula, you can use water in pumpkin oatmeal. I'm gonna take one cup and probably do whole milk. And then the other cup of fluid, I'm gonna make that canned pumpkin. So I'll do one cup of the oats and then two cups of fluid for those two cups of fluid.

Katie Ferraro (16m 37s):

I'm gonna make half of that oatmeal. Does that make sense? So one cup would be whole milk, and then one cup would be the canned pumpkin and then mix it as you normally would to make your oatmeal. And you get kind of this like shocker orange looking oatmeal, but it has really kind of a subtle flavor and you've got that canned pumpkin that you're working in there. Now when it comes to canned pumpkin, I mean you could just literally take a canned of pumpkin and offer it to your baby off of a pre-loaded spoon. I love canned pumpkin. It's available year round. Make sure that you're buying canned pumpkin and not pumpkin pie mix because pumpkin pie mix has added sugar to it, but canned pumpkin is a hundred percent pumpkin. There are some controversies, some brands put other squash in there.

Katie Ferraro (17m 17s):

But the point is they're very nutrient rich and have, you know, essentially the same nutrient profile as a pumpkin. Oftentimes there's a little bit of a smoother texture. The point is, you know, you're getting the nutrition, you're getting the idea, the taste kind of,

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Katie Ferraro (19m 2s):

Of a pumpkin or it's very closely related to squash relatives, but do that canned pure pumpkin. So look at the ingredients. It should just say pumpkin. It should not say like sugar and a bunch of other stuff. That's pumpkin pie mix. So pumpkin oatmeal is the second one. The third way I like to do pumpkin is to make a really easy pumpkin hummus recipe. Now you can find pumpkin hummus at the store, usually around fall season pumpkin, everything season, but commercial hummus that you buy at the store tends to have way too much salt for babies. So we use a lot of dried peas and beans, legumes in my hundred first foods program to make your own hummus at home because you can do it with a ton of nutrition and really cool textures for your baby just without all the added salt. Plus, it's a lot cheaper if you do it at home than if you buy this stuff from the store.

Katie Ferraro (19m 45s):

So this pumpkin hummus recipe also uses pumpkin puree. It also uses chickpeas. So that's another food from the 100 first foods list. That's from the protein category. But this recipe also has tahini in it. And tahini is a way that you can introduce your baby to the potentially allergenic food sesame. So sesame is one of the top nine allergenic foods that sesame is listed on the 100 first foods list under the allergen foods. So that's you. Now you got chickpea that your baby's trying again. Now you got sesame that your baby's trying again and they're also gonna be trying pumpkin. So if you wanna learn more about safely introducing your baby to sesame, go listen to episode 43. It's called sesame, how to Introduce Your Baby to this Potentially Allergenic food.

Katie Ferraro (20m 26s):

But sometimes parents are like, I know I should be reintroducing these allergenic foods to my baby. Well this pumpkin hummus recipe is a great way to do that. It's also got olive oil in there, cumin chili powder paprika. Again, if you wanna grab all these recipes, go to baby-led weaning.co/resources to get the five baby-led weaning pumpkin recipes. And if you're in the program, baby-led weaning with Katie Ferraro, all of these recipes are also in there. Plus, there's lots of recipes for each of the foods in the 100 first Foods program for your baby's age and stage. I've got videos, I've got all the recipes, I've got all the instructions that show you how to make all those foods from the 100 first foods list. So if you're tired of like listening to podcasts and searching it up on AI and going to social media to figure out how to make the food safe for your baby, if you want a step-by-step plan, I literally made you a 20 week meal plan of how to get your baby to eat all these foods so they can eat a hundred foods before they turn one.

Katie Ferraro (21m 22s):

That's all inside of my program, baby-led weaning with Katie Ferraro. And you can check that out@babyledweaning.co. And they actually have a new code for $50 off that program. If you wanna check it out, it's BLW Pod 50. You can join the program at $50 off. That's a code just for podcast listeners. Head to baby-led weaning.co/program and use that code B LW pod 50 to join at $50 off and get started making all this stuff for your baby. Alright, so after pumpkin hummus, another great recipe. One of my favorite recipes from the whole program is our pumpkin curry recipe.

Katie Ferraro (22m 2s):

Lots of wonderful ingredients. Guerra masala. We've lots and lots and lots of seasoning ideas for you because babies don't need to eat bland food, right? We've got coconut milk in there, and cilantro and cumin, turmeric, garlic, ginger, really, really easy curry dish that also uses canned pumpkin. So you can also use fresh pumpkin if you have it, if you've roasted a pumpkin and you wanna work it into a curry dish. But for babies that are moved on to combination food, so in phase two of baby lead weaning, which is the second eight weeks, our babies start eating more combination multi textured foods. And this is where there's gonna be rice, there's gonna be chickpeas, there's the sauce. The sauce has a lot of flavor with it, which perfectly fine even for the early eaters to have flavors.

Katie Ferraro (22m 44s):

But we don't do those combination or those multi textured foods for early eaters in those early weeks. We wanna do those single individual foods. We focus really on the individual foods for about the first eight weeks. But in that phase two, your baby's gonna be jamming on feeding themselves. And that's when you would love to do something like this pumpkin curry recipe. Your whole family's gonna love this one too. Generally in that phase two is when you start eating your foods that you're like, oh my gosh, my baby can just kind of be eating modified versions of the same foods that the rest of our family is eating as well. I loved baking because my mom, who's also a dietitian, my parents have six kids. I'm the oldest of six. And I was always like, when I have kids, I'm gonna bake. I don't know why my mom's always just making dinner and not baking.

Katie Ferraro (23m 24s):

And I remember her being like, when you have kids, tell me if you have time to cook and bake. And I, of course, I have seven kids now. I have no time to bake. But one of my favorite things to do as a kid was bake. 'cause my mom never did. And one of the first recipes I ever learned how to bake was a pumpkin roll. I freaking loved making pumpkin roll. Do you know what a pumpkin roll is? I feel like it's kind of a grandma food, but it's like you make a really thin cake like on a jelly roll pan, and then you make this cream filling and then you roll the cake up with the jelly roll inside of it, and then you slice it. It's just so cool looking. It's a pumpkin roll. And I don't know why I recently got inspired to make a baby lead weaning pumpkin roll. So the last recipe in the free feeding guide, five baby-led weaning pumpkin recipes is a pumpkin roll.

Katie Ferraro (24m 6s):

Now this one took me a long time because I don't wanna call it a cake because babies don't need a dessert. But you also know babies don't need salt or sugar. So making a pumpkin roll without salt and without sugar, my own children are like, mom, this is disgusting. But babies freaking love this one because it's really kind of, it's fun for them to play with. Let me be honest, I think it tastes just fine 'cause I don't need a lot of salt and sugar. But my kids, I introduced them to a real pumpkin roll and then tried to give them a taste of the baby-led weaning one. And they were like, this is not fly. I do have a lot of quick bread recipes that don't have added sugar and salt. We have a lot of working families in our program. A lot of them are like, Hey, I need bake ahead breakfast bread ideas. So I have this pumpkin bread recipe that I kind of altered, I didn't even alter it.

Katie Ferraro (24m 48s):

You just make it in a jelly roll pan for the cake base of this pumpkin roll recipe. And then the inside part, which is normally like confection or sugar and butter, if you're an adult for the baby-led weaning re version, it's cream cheese, ricotta, unsalted butter and vanilla. So it's like the same idea, okay, like the cream filling, and then you roll it up and then you cut it. It's like kind of a cute, fun quote unquote dessert for your baby. But of course there's no a added sugar in it. So don't worry. All of the recipes in my program, you guys, I'm a dietitian, none of them have any added sugar. But this one's just a fun way to incorporate canned pumpkin. It's got some of those cow's milk containing foods in there, right? The ricotta cheese in there, it's got some butter in there.

Katie Ferraro (25m 28s):

So once you know your baby's not allergic to cow's milk, you can certainly offer this recipe. I think it's a fun one, kind of seasonal one. That's the pumpkin roll. Again, if you wanna grab all of these recipes, go to baby-led weaning.co/resources. You can get that free feeding guide. If you are like, whoa, I'm having fun doing some of these recipes, I'd love to have you join me in my full program again, that code BLW pod 50 will get you $50 off. And if you're not really sold on baby-led weaning, or you just wanna like, you know, learn a little bit more about it, be sure to sign up for my free online workshop, baby led weaning for beginners@babyledweaning.co/workshop. I think we've kind of covered a lot of pumpkin stuff today.

Katie Ferraro (26m 9s):

Don't be shy about pumpkin, okay, technically a fruit, but it's on the vegetable part of my a hundred first foods list. If you're going to the grocery store to get yourself some canned pumpkin, be sure to get canned pumpkin puree and not pumpkin pie mix. And if you're gonna buy a pumpkin, get a couple of 'em, roast 'em off, you're gonna be like, if you're already making the effort to cut up pumpkin and scoop it, do a bunch of 'em roast 'em. They are so amazing, so flavorful. And don't be shy about seasoning that pumpkin for your baby either. I'm gonna put all of the links that I mentioned today on the show notes page for this episode, which you can find@blwpodcast.com/69. And I wanna say a special thank you to our partners at AirWave Media.

Katie Ferraro (26m 52s):

If you like podcasts that feature food and science and using your brain, check out some of the podcasts from AirWave Media. We're online@bwpodcast.com. Thank you so much for listening, and I'll see you next time. Bye now.