Baby-Led Potty Training: Elimination Communication with @godiaperfree Andrea Olson

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<v SPEAKER_2>We're just following and aligning ourselves with the way babies were created.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's just a signal and then you got to go.

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<v SPEAKER_2>The baby signals about something.

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<v SPEAKER_2>You figure out and decode what that signal means.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Am I tired?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Am I hungry?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Am I cold?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Do I need some cuddling?

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<v SPEAKER_2>What else is there?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Oh, do I need to go to the bathroom?

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<v SPEAKER_2>That's one that we always forget.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So with EC, we basically look at signals, but we also look at the timing of the day after I have a warm beverage in the morning.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Usually, I got to go to the bathroom or I wake up in the morning.

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<v SPEAKER_2>I usually got to go to the bathroom.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So do babies.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Hey there, I'm Katie Ferraro, registered dietitian, college nutrition professor, and mom of seven specializing in baby-led weaning.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Here on the Baby-Led Weaning With Katie Ferraro podcast, I help you strip out all of the noise and nonsense about feeding, giving you the confidence and knowledge you need to give your baby a safe start to solid foods using baby-led weaning.

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<v SPEAKER_1>OK, what do you think is more weird, a baby feeding themself or baby toileting themself?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Not kidding.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Elimination communication.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's a thing.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And my friend Andrea Olson from Go Diaper Free, she's the go to guru on baby-led potty training.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So EC, or elimination communication, is something I literally had no idea about when my kids were babies.

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<v SPEAKER_1>People come up to me all the time, like it happened today.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I was dropping a kid off late from med school the day after a dentist appointment.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The receptionist said, Katie, I love watching all those babies on your Instagram eat.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I wish I knew about baby-led weaning when my kids were babies.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I, Katie, wish that I knew about elimination communication when my kids were babies.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Andrea Olson, she's the expert on EC.

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<v SPEAKER_1>She's a mom of six, so her youngest kiddo just turned one.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I wanted to interview her again, have her back on the podcast to talk a little bit more about normalizing this idea of no diapers, and then also just to ask Andrea, like, what's differently and what did you do different now with your sixth, who I can't even believe this, but this child is totally toilet trained at 13 months and has been for a while.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And be sure to listen to this whole interview because Andrea shares towards the end her thoughts on baby-led weaning, her real life experience as what she calls an old mom, which I am the same age as her.

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<v SPEAKER_1>She's talking about all the things that she thinks she did wrong with this last kid, which is really insightful because it doesn't matter how many kids you've had, they're all different.

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<v SPEAKER_1>They all do things differently, like eating and toileting.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And if you're currently using disposable or even cloth diapers, but you would like to be less reliant on them, Andrea is going to tell you exactly what you can do as long as your baby is anywhere between six and 18 months to help them potty themselves.

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<v SPEAKER_1>A lot of you may not be considering potty training stuff just yet, but this interview just might change your mind.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Andrea is sincerely one of my favorite people in the baby space.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I love any opportunity to talk to her.

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<v SPEAKER_1>She's wild.

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<v SPEAKER_1>She is probably as passionate about self-pottying babies as I am about self-feeding babies.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And with no further ado, I want to bring on Andrea Olson, who's going to be teaching about Baby-Led Potty Training and Elimination Communication.

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<v SPEAKER_1>She's online at godiaperfree.com.

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<v SPEAKER_1>She's on social at GoDiaperFree.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Here is Andrea Olson.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So we were flying to and from Boise, Idaho, and it was Baby's first flight.

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<v SPEAKER_2>I think she was like three or four weeks old.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And this is Baby Marilyn, my sixth.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And so I just whipped out the top hat potty because she got really fussy and started bearing down.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I don't know about you, but there aren't changing tables on an airplane.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Not anymore.

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<v SPEAKER_2>How do you even change a newborn's blowout diaper?

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<v SPEAKER_2>You can't.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So I was like, I'm not going to be dealing with that on this airplane.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So I whipped out my top hat potty.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's a little newborn potty.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Put it between my legs.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Discreetly got her diaper off.

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<v SPEAKER_2>I was in the window seat.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Jordan was next to me, and there was some guy with his AirPods on ignoring us.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I put her on my lap.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And wait, maybe Jordan, I gave her to him.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Whoever did it, one of us put her over the top hat potty, and she did her business.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Put her back on her lap.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Put her diaper back on.

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<v SPEAKER_2>There wasn't even anything to wipe.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And then I just set the top hat potty between my feet for the remainder of that leg of the trip and put some wet wipes on top of it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It doesn't smell.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Breastfed baby.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Doesn't smell.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Why is there nothing to wipe?

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<v SPEAKER_1>I never had a baby where I didn't have to wipe everything after.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Imagine what people did before toilet paper.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's what I usually say.

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<v SPEAKER_1>What did parents feed their babies before?

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<v SPEAKER_1>There was a whole aisle of processed food at Target for you to feed your baby.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I got it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>I never think about this thing, but we would squat in the forest or wherever, and we didn't have toilet paper.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Because our bodies are made to produce and get rid of waste very efficiently.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And we were eating different food back then.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So I can imagine that.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But with a baby eating breast milk only, very efficient, there's no need to wipe usually.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, Andrea.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Every time I talk to you, you blow my mind.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And one thing I love just about our respective worlds of the baby space, it's like, what's weirder, a baby feeding themselves or a baby pottying themselves?

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<v SPEAKER_1>But one thing that people say to me all the time is like, oh, Katie, I wish I knew about baby-led weaning back when I was having babies.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So now if I were a mom who had used diapers and conventional delayed potty training with my first kids, but now I'm having another baby, and I just found out about elimination communication, how would you describe it and how does it work?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Like, what's the thing that you do?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Basically, we're just following and aligning ourselves with the way babies were created is just to signal when they got to go, to signal when they got to go, and then you take them and take care of their needs.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So responsive parenting is part of what we both are teaching basically, where the baby signals about something, you figure out and decode what that signal means.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Am I tired?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Am I hungry?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Am I cold?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Do I need some cuddling?

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<v SPEAKER_2>What else is there?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Oh, do I need to go to the bathroom?

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<v SPEAKER_2>That's one that we always forget.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So with EC, we basically look at signals, but we also look at the timing of the day.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Like after I have a warm beverage in the morning, usually got to go to the bathroom.

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<v SPEAKER_2>If I wake up in the morning, I usually got to go to the bathroom.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So do babies.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And they're no different.

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<v SPEAKER_2>We just kind of infantilize them and just sort of miss the whole, hey, I actually have the same needs as you, I'm just smaller.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So developmentally, what we do is just align ourselves with what's already happening and the way they're already signaling, which is what babies of all human history have done, because we didn't have diapers until about 200 or so years ago commercially available.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I would say, well, disposables have only been around for 70 years.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So things have changed.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So it's so interesting because in infant feeding, I always talk about how commercial baby foods have really only been around since the earlier part of the 20th century.

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<v SPEAKER_1>We're barely 100 years into having baby food.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And I often say to parents, what do you think cave mama fed cave baby back before there was that whole aisle of processed food at the grocery store for your baby to suck out of pouches, which is not developmentally appropriate?

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<v SPEAKER_1>But honestly, can you tell us what is it about current day conventional potty training?

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<v SPEAKER_1>How does that differ from a parent 200 years ago?

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<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, I don't know if we can go all the way back to cave mama days, but historically, prior to the big boom, the industrial complex of diapers or whatever it may be, but what did we do before that that's pretty much mirroring what you're doing today?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Well, imagine this.

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<v SPEAKER_2>If we go back to cave people, if the babies were born and then just pooping and peeing all over the place and messing themselves just mindlessly, we would not be here today.

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<v SPEAKER_2>We would have died out a long time ago.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Babies and parents and caregivers, they were wired.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It was part of the community.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It was part of their culture to take care of these needs from birth.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So if you go to an indigenous culture today, which there aren't very many that the diaper companies haven't sort of infiltrated, which is a shame because there's no disposal system.

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<v SPEAKER_2>They don't biodegrade.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's a mess.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But if you find one like Stone Age Indians or in South America, like the Continuum concept, you can look and see and find evidence of this in Laurie Bouquet's book, Infant Potty Training, for example, where people are just wearing their baby in a sling, the mamas, and then the baby wriggles and the baby is taken out of the sling, point and shoot into a bush, make a noise or not.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Some people make that noise, some people grunt, and point and shoot, squat over a bush, they go to the bathroom, they put them back in the sling.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So there's no diaper involved, nothing.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Now, 200, 300 years ago, I have actually a really old Ostromilk baby guide, and it basically said, any poops you can get in the potty before they start walking are bonus points, and it has this little baby being held over a chamber pot.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So it's my contention that people before commercial diapers were just pottying their babies.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Maybe they were missing a lot of peas, because it doesn't matter if your lap gets a little bit wet.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Maybe they're let outside and they just pee and poop wherever when they're outside and it doesn't really matter.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But that when they're in their bed, they're going to be resistant to peeing and pooping in it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>When they're on you, they're going to be resistant to that.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So they will signal in those situations to tell you, hey, I need some help and I want to do this somewhere hygienically.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Hey, we're going to take a quick break, but I'll be right back.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So I have an interesting, I was a Peace Corps volunteer in Nepal after college.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And when I had babies, I did not have babies when I was there.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Ironically, I was a reproductive health specialist when I was in the Peace Corps, and now I have seven children, so like, oh my gosh, if they could see me now.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But at the time, obviously I didn't know very much about kids, even though I was like doing a lot of prenatal care stuff.

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<v SPEAKER_1>When I actually had babies, I was like, what did they do in Nepal?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Like, what do they feed the babies?

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<v SPEAKER_1>And then I remember thinking like, they didn't have any diapers.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Like there was like maybe some cloth diaper, but there was no like systems or anything, it was basically rags.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's what they also did for like female menstrual care, which is a whole totally different story.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But I remember like where I lived was mostly walking, but there was one jeep road.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And so occasionally to like, you could catch a jeep for a couple of rupees or whatever.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And if you were all smashed in the jeep, I remember people like passing you the baby to hold out the window of the jeep.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Like the mom just instinctively knew and the baby would, I don't remember poops, but like definitely just pee.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And I was like, oh, yeah, of course.

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<v SPEAKER_1>But like the mom was clearly picking up on something that everybody else in the jeep didn't get.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Like what sort of cues, you mentioned bearing down before, but like if you're baby wearing and there's no diaper on, like how do you know if it's coming?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Have you ever held a puppy?

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<v SPEAKER_1>No, I'm not a big dog person.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Okay, come on.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Everybody's held a puppy, Katie.

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<v SPEAKER_2>If you've held a puppy before and they start to wriggle and then you're like, oh, I guess the puppy wants to go play and you set it down on the carpet, it will pee on it right then because it's wriggling to get out of your arms to not pee on you and to be somewhere else.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So every single mammal does this kind of thing.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So one of the signals is getting a little bit uncomfortable, fussy, wriggling, because there's this instinct inside all of us that says, hey, don't pee on your friend there, okay?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Don't pee on the lap, don't pee in the car, don't pee in the bed, don't pee in your clothing.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So I don't know about you, but if somebody were to give me $1,000 to pee my pants, I would have a really hard time doing that because it's just so not insinctual.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Like, I can't pee in a pool, I certainly won't pee in a bathtub, I know my kids would.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But like there comes a time when socially you're just like, I can't do that.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Well babies are born with a really strong instinct for that.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So one of the signals is like fussiness or squirming around.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Another of the signals is bearing down and pushing and you're just like, whoa, this kid's about to poop, would you rather wait for it to fill up in the diaper and then clean it off of them later?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Or would you rather just set them on a toilet and have them go there if they're between eight and 12 months, you can start using the big toilet with a seat reducer and they'll go there happily.

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<v SPEAKER_2>What we do in our culture though is teach them to soothe them into peeing in their diaper, to soothe them into pooping in their diaper.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And we make it part of the routine because what we were taught is that it is very damaging, psychologically damaging to do early toilet training.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Guess who that came from?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Barry Brazelton, a pediatrician hired by Pampers in the 60s because nobody wanted to buy disposable diapers and put paper on their babies.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So they hired him.

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<v SPEAKER_2>He's head of Pampers University.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It couldn't be any clearer, the money trail and the kind of, hey, let's all agree that this is the thing so that people have to buy diapers for five years, which again, don't biodegrade, but also we're teaching our kids to go against their instincts as babies.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And it's no fault of our own unless you know this and you're doing it intentionally.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But I doubt most of your listeners even know that this is a possibility.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's like conventional spoon feeding.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I'm always blown away because you're literally forcing the baby to eat something they don't want to eat.

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<v SPEAKER_1>You're teaching them to override their inborn hunger and satiety cues so that you can feel better about them eating this arbitrary amount of a jarred food that a pediatrician told you that they should eat.

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<v SPEAKER_2>For diapers, so that you can feel like a good mom, so you're not going to psychologically damage them?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Really think about that.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Psychologically damage them by letting them use the potty when they actually developmentally can tell you, which is at birth?

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<v SPEAKER_2>That's crazy.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Like, we're basically guilting parents into delayed potty training.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And then you get to delayed potty training.

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<v SPEAKER_2>You have literally taught this child to go in their pants against their instinct and against their will without getting their consent the entire time.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And then three years later, you're like, Oh, by the way, we're doing it different today.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And the kids like, What?

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<v SPEAKER_2>But I thought this is what we did.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Like you, you made me do this.

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<v SPEAKER_2>You tricked me.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But really, again, it's not the parents fault.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's probably like if a light bulb is going off your head right now and you're feeling super guilty, then do something about it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Learn how to potty your baby.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But you didn't do this on purpose.

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<v SPEAKER_2>This is just what they have slammed down our throats.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's like formula.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's like baby food, diapers, put them in all these contraptions instead of holding them.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Give them iPads, you know, like that's all money that has nothing to do with what a baby actually wants and needs.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And I think seeing really is believing and that's so much what I've learned from you.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's like, OK, I know you're doing this with your own kids.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I know you have coaches.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I know people like around the world are doing this, whether it's they call it a thing like some people like baby-led weaning.

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<v SPEAKER_1>That's not even a thing.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's just letting your baby eat real food.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I was like, yeah, I know.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It actually is like literally what parents for generations have done.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It's called like modifying food so they're safe for your baby to eat.

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<v SPEAKER_1>You're modifying some things like you mentioned you're on a plane with Marilyn.

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<v SPEAKER_1>She has some sort of a diaper on like you're not like she's not totally naked.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Disposable diaper.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Just OK.

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<v SPEAKER_1>What's the deal there?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Why she wear a disposable diaper?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Because it was like a travel day.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Is that a weird thing?

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<v SPEAKER_2>I have six kids.

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<v SPEAKER_2>I know I did cloth with the first and then I did compostable disposables as soon as they came out.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But I only used a third of the amount of diapers a normal parent would use.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So I feel better about that.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And also we reuse the same disposable diaper over and over until the tabs fall off.

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<v SPEAKER_2>There's some stages of EC where you just go through a lot of diapers because they'll just wet a little and do the rest of the toilet.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So that's annoying.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But you know, if you can find a diaper that you jive with, it's a backup when you're doing EC, not a toilet.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So, I always will use a backup until they start walking, which is also what people did before conventional diapers were made.

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<v SPEAKER_2>When they started walking, they would have them after a meal, go sit on it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>They used to make high chairs with a hole in them.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So they could go to the bathroom because you know, who doesn't start pooping during the middle of a feeding?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Babies do that all the time.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's so annoying.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's like, wait a second, I got to rush you off to the toilet.

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<v SPEAKER_2>They built a toilet into them back in the day.

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<v SPEAKER_1>We should bring it back.

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<v SPEAKER_1>It'd be like the perfect marriage of our worlds.

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<v SPEAKER_2>I can stick a top hat potty in it and make it like a dumpable.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And I'll make sure there's an adjustable foot rest and your baby's back is flat.

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<v SPEAKER_1>And then it'll be like the potty thing.

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<v SPEAKER_1>This could be huge.

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<v SPEAKER_1>The world may need this high chair.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Can I ask you for parents who are listening who have already started with conventional disposable diapers and like, wait a minute, I want to make a switch.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Is there a point where it's too late?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Like I know you are doing this from birth and I know it's possible to do from birth, but for parents who might be like a little late to the EC game, talk about making the switch.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Then there's never too late.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So I do have a time range though, for when it'd be better, more appropriate to do potty training.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And potty training should not be baby-led.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Potty training should be parent-led.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Potty training is you put them in the diapers, you got to teach them how to get out of the diapers.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It should not be the child's decision that I'm ready to get out of diapers when they didn't have a choice in the beginning.

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<v SPEAKER_2>That's just my perspective.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And it also just works better.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So wait, I need to change the title of this episode because it was called baby-led potty training, but you're saying that's not really a thing.

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<v SPEAKER_2>No.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's a team effort, but the parent is doing it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Now EC is baby-led potty training, so you could still call it that.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But when you get into regular potty training, especially if you've done no EC, you're like you mean like weaning off of a diaper.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Is that what you say when basically like an abrupt weaning?

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's an abrupt weaning.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's led by the parent.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It is hopefully a parent is well informed about what to do.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So they just do it once and it's done.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But it really is literally ripping off the bandaid kind of thing.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And really, when your child can grasp repetitive things, so they're able to do the same thing over and over and over again, and they're obsessed, when they just start to do a task over and over and you're just like, how many times are you going to do that until they master it?

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<v SPEAKER_2>So toddlers seeking mastery, I would not do EC.

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<v SPEAKER_2>I would do potty training around 15 to 18 months and up.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So if you're in that 15 to 18 month range, if you've got a super laid back baby who's just not very mobile and just kind of chills, you could do EC with them and probably like it better.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But if you've got a go getter, especially a girl for some reason, they just care more about being dried, boy, you can let a little out and keep playing.

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<v SPEAKER_2>You're going to want to just do a potty training experience.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I think 18 months is about, that's a fine cutoff for us, like a defined cutoff for us.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, where you would go to the potty training instead of EC.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Because EC will be frustrating.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's not clear enough.

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<v SPEAKER_2>The kid will test you and be like, wait a second, are we doing this or not?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Because EC is kind of like a gradual thing.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And potty training is more like, let's just get it done.

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<v SPEAKER_2>We are no longer using diapers.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And at that age, and really 15, 16 months, 17 months, it's gonna just take maybe a little bit longer, maybe a couple more weeks, because they're usually pre-verbal.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But even a child who doesn't speak, even a child who has autism, even a child who has Down syndrome, we can still teach them to use the toilet without them being verbal.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But I'd say 18 months and up, you for sure are not doing EC.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Don't waste your time.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Do potty training.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I teach that too.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I teach a method that's just like, it's very parent-led in that, yeah, we're gonna take what we know about our baby to inform us and we're gonna definitely be responsive.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And a lot of accidents means this.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So let's adjust this.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So in a way, yes, but we're the responsible party who put them into a diaper.

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<v SPEAKER_2>We take them out.

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<v SPEAKER_2>With EC, it's like, as soon as you learn about it, you can dive in at any age under 18 months.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, let's talk about that, because most of the parents listening, baby six to 12 months of age, a lot of them like, I just discovered baby-led weaning, like shoving a spoon of purees on my baby throat wasn't working.

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<v SPEAKER_1>I want to switch.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Maybe I want to consider something besides disposable diapers.

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<v SPEAKER_1>So let's say a six-month-old baby who's been just in diapers, how do they make the transition to EC?

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<v SPEAKER_2>What I love doing is an observation session with an age, a six-month-old baby.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So at this point, they're probably sitting and they're probably at least trying to start to crawl.

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<v SPEAKER_2>They're definitely rolling over.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So they're mobile.

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<v SPEAKER_2>What we want to do is put them in something that's not going to ruin our carpet because that's going to be stressful.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And if you have wooden floors, I suppose it doesn't really matter.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But what I love to do is I also have a company called Tiny Undies because we didn't have small underwear and training pants and potties and things when I started EC.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So Tiny Undies, we have these aqua blue training pants, and they have like real thick cotton in the middle.

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<v SPEAKER_2>They show almost instantly when the baby's wet.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So we can take an observation log or I have an app called The Log where we can time after feeding or after waking, how often is my baby going to the bathroom?

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<v SPEAKER_2>And when you can see or touch and be able to know, like obviously you can't do this observation with a disposable, you're going to be able to see, okay, about how often does my baby go?

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<v SPEAKER_2>And then that's it for observation.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And we're going to see, oh, did they make a noise or signal?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Did they look at me?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Like, did they grab their crotch?

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<v SPEAKER_2>What happened?

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<v SPEAKER_2>So observation time is really helpful with a mobile baby to start out.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But here's an even simpler way.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I have to say that if I had to start with a 6-

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<v SPEAKER_2>to 12-month-old, this is what I would do, is when they wake up, I would offer the potty.

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<v SPEAKER_2>When they start to poop, most people know when their baby's pooping, or at least when they've started.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Just say wait and take them to the potty and let them finish there.

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<v SPEAKER_2>When you take them out of a car seat or high chair or anything they've been in for a while, baby wearing kind of thing, like a carrier, offer them.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And then offer it every diaper change.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So I call those the four easy catches.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I can give you the link for my Easy Start Guide that has the four easy catches on there.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Six to 12 months, if you just start with one of those easy catches and just kind of see, once you catch one in the potty, you'll be like, oh man, I got to figure out how to do more of this.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But at that age, you're still going to use a disposable or whatever as your backup.

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<v SPEAKER_2>But again, it changes.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's no longer just a toilet where you're not thinking about it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's now a backup for when you're not doing EC or for when you've missed it or when you're still learning, which will be a little while.

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<v SPEAKER_2>It's a process.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Hey, we're going to take a quick break, but I'll be right back.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Okay, I know every baby is different, and you've had a lot of babies as well.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Is there anything that you did with Marilyn, who just passed the one-year mark?

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<v SPEAKER_1>Anything that was different about doing EC with Marilyn that you learned, even though you're an expert in this field, with this baby compared to your other ones or other families you worked with?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Yeah, okay, so she would not go in the top hat potty from like six months.

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<v SPEAKER_1>Except on the airplane.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Okay, but that was before six months.

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<v SPEAKER_2>She would not go on it anymore.

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<v SPEAKER_2>All of a sudden, just out of nowhere.

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<v SPEAKER_2>I tried to put her on the mini-potty.

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<v SPEAKER_2>She'd like stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And it just wasn't like-

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<v SPEAKER_1>Wait, at six months of age, she was 10?

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<v SPEAKER_2>Oh, no, no, that was like eight months.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So we didn't catch a lot of things, a lot of things in the potty from like six months to about nine months when it dawned on me, she's super smart.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And she started crawling at four and a half months.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So she's like super mobile.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Why don't I just put her on the big toilet?

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<v SPEAKER_2>So upstairs in the girl's room, we have this, next to it, we have this toilet that has a reducer flap.

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<v SPEAKER_2>So like you pull the flap down and it turns your toilet into a small potty.

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<v SPEAKER_2>And I just sat her on there one morning after waking up.

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<v SPEAKER_2>She did a giant poop in it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Every day since then, she has done a giant poop on it.

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<v SPEAKER_2>Because I didn't put her on it earlier in the process.

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<v SPEAKER_2>She was not producing in the toilet because I was using the wrong receptacle for her.

00:23:29.330 --> 00:23:32.450

<v SPEAKER_2>And that's the thing, like it could be any receptacle that works for your baby.

00:23:32.750 --> 00:23:35.210

<v SPEAKER_2>And at different ages, they might change their preference.

00:23:35.950 --> 00:23:41.070

<v SPEAKER_2>So, I learned something new there that the even, I even got this like squishy nice one for the other toilet.

00:23:41.090 --> 00:23:41.750

<v SPEAKER_2>She hates it.

00:23:41.750 --> 00:23:42.790

<v SPEAKER_2>It's got handles.

00:23:42.810 --> 00:23:43.270

<v SPEAKER_2>She hates it.

00:23:43.290 --> 00:23:48.210

<v SPEAKER_2>She just wants like the hard plastic circular one that comes down with the regular toilet seat.

00:23:48.230 --> 00:23:50.090

<v SPEAKER_2>Because I feel like she just wants to be like us.

00:23:50.550 --> 00:23:54.490

<v SPEAKER_1>And pardon my ignorance, you said another type of potty, like a tiny potty or a mini potty.

00:23:54.530 --> 00:23:56.330

<v SPEAKER_1>That's not an adult potty.

00:23:56.350 --> 00:23:57.430

<v SPEAKER_1>It's not the top hat potty.

00:23:57.450 --> 00:23:59.030

<v SPEAKER_1>What's the in between potty?

00:23:59.450 --> 00:24:04.850

<v SPEAKER_2>Yeah, the mini potty is just like a short little, it sits on the floor and they sit on it.

00:24:04.990 --> 00:24:07.070

<v SPEAKER_2>So it's like a baby-sized potty.

00:24:07.490 --> 00:24:11.030

<v SPEAKER_2>And the one we have is like really short compared to the other ones on the market.

00:24:11.050 --> 00:24:13.090

<v SPEAKER_2>So the baby can get on and off of it themselves.

00:24:13.090 --> 00:24:17.330

<v SPEAKER_2>Even some toddlers can't mount some of those potty that sit on the floor are like way too high.

00:24:17.650 --> 00:24:18.850

<v SPEAKER_2>Yeah, so that's the middle one.

00:24:18.870 --> 00:24:21.130

<v SPEAKER_2>So we've got a top hat potty you hold between your legs for a newborn.

00:24:21.150 --> 00:24:23.930

<v SPEAKER_2>We've got a mini potty where they're mobile and they can get on and off of it.

00:24:23.950 --> 00:24:27.450

<v SPEAKER_2>And sometimes when they just reach out and touch that potty, it's a signal, it's a sign.

00:24:27.810 --> 00:24:28.850

<v SPEAKER_2>They need to go to the bathroom.

00:24:29.210 --> 00:24:32.530

<v SPEAKER_2>And if they don't produce on that potty, you just put them on the big toilet and they'll usually go.

00:24:33.030 --> 00:24:34.970

<v SPEAKER_2>So it becomes this like communication tool.

00:24:35.330 --> 00:24:37.630

<v SPEAKER_2>And then we have the big toilet and the toilet seat reducer.

00:24:37.990 --> 00:24:39.010

<v SPEAKER_2>And then we have the bushes.

00:24:39.370 --> 00:24:40.490

<v SPEAKER_2>I mean, there's so many options.

00:24:40.970 --> 00:24:42.990

<v SPEAKER_1>Let's talk about the benefits of elimination communication.

00:24:43.050 --> 00:24:46.430

<v SPEAKER_1>I can think of environmental with the reduction in diapers.

00:24:46.510 --> 00:24:49.830

<v SPEAKER_1>Obviously, there's a cost savings, huge, huge cost savings.

00:24:49.850 --> 00:24:51.330

<v SPEAKER_1>I love that you said that even though you...

00:24:51.350 --> 00:24:52.330

<v SPEAKER_2>12 grand, yeah.

00:24:52.630 --> 00:24:54.470

<v SPEAKER_1>Oh my God, for across all children.

00:24:54.670 --> 00:24:54.910

<v SPEAKER_1>Yeah.

00:24:55.210 --> 00:24:55.810

<v SPEAKER_1>That's amazing.

00:24:56.270 --> 00:25:01.750

<v SPEAKER_1>I can imagine that from a developmental standpoint, it's probably more developmentally appropriate for children to potty themselves.

00:25:01.770 --> 00:25:03.310

<v SPEAKER_1>And for us, as you said, infantilize them.

00:25:03.330 --> 00:25:06.510

<v SPEAKER_1>And it's just like babies can eat so many more foods than we give them credit for.

00:25:06.530 --> 00:25:08.370

<v SPEAKER_1>We just hold them back a lot of times.

00:25:08.610 --> 00:25:09.930

<v SPEAKER_1>Are there more benefits that I'm missing?

00:25:10.250 --> 00:25:11.290

<v SPEAKER_2>The connection with the parent.

00:25:11.350 --> 00:25:15.010

<v SPEAKER_2>So it doesn't mean that you're a better parent if you do EC and you're not, if you don't.

00:25:15.090 --> 00:25:21.650

<v SPEAKER_2>But even if you have some awareness of what's going on down there, you have another line of understanding your child and your child being able to communicate with you.

00:25:22.050 --> 00:25:23.290

<v SPEAKER_2>So that leads me to the next one.

00:25:23.670 --> 00:25:25.730

<v SPEAKER_2>Earlier communication, earlier mobility.

00:25:26.090 --> 00:25:29.610

<v SPEAKER_2>People will argue with me about this on Instagram till they're red in the face.

00:25:30.050 --> 00:25:43.150

<v SPEAKER_2>But what I've seen in our community and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of parents later, is that we kind of just acknowledging another thing they're communicating helps them to just open up and go, oh, I'm being heard.

00:25:43.550 --> 00:25:44.570

<v SPEAKER_2>Just same thing with eating.

00:25:44.590 --> 00:25:46.130

<v SPEAKER_2>I'm being heard, my needs are being met.

00:25:46.150 --> 00:25:48.790

<v SPEAKER_2>When I ask for something, I'm getting help with it.

00:25:49.150 --> 00:25:52.870

<v SPEAKER_2>Then their communication and their mobility, oh, not having the diaper down there.

00:25:52.890 --> 00:25:57.710

<v SPEAKER_2>If you have them in undies, which usually people will transition between eight and 14 months to undies.

00:25:58.230 --> 00:26:06.210

<v SPEAKER_2>There was a study done on it where the gait instantly improves when you take off a cloth diaper, a disposable diaper, and then you have a child just in underwear.

00:26:06.590 --> 00:26:09.250

<v SPEAKER_2>So their mobility is impacted as well.

00:26:09.670 --> 00:26:11.110

<v SPEAKER_2>There's a self-esteem aspect.

00:26:11.590 --> 00:26:16.410

<v SPEAKER_2>We have been taught to make our kids sit in their waist and go on themselves.

00:26:16.510 --> 00:26:25.770

<v SPEAKER_2>So I don't know what the long-term impact is on kids, human self-esteem or social awkwardness or not, but it's got to have an impact.

00:26:26.210 --> 00:26:32.170

<v SPEAKER_1>And for parents who've never heard of this and they like want to learn more, what's the best place for parents to go?

00:26:32.190 --> 00:26:33.590

<v SPEAKER_1>Should they get your course?

00:26:33.610 --> 00:26:34.890

<v SPEAKER_1>Should they do a book, go to YouTube?

00:26:34.910 --> 00:26:38.970

<v SPEAKER_1>Like where's the best place if you're like, I don't have all day to hunt and peck around the internet and figure this out on my own.

00:26:39.090 --> 00:26:40.390

<v SPEAKER_1>Andrea's probably done it for me.

00:26:40.430 --> 00:26:41.250

<v SPEAKER_1>Where do you want them to go?

00:26:41.590 --> 00:26:42.910

<v SPEAKER_2>Oh, I have completely done it for you.

00:26:43.750 --> 00:26:44.330

<v SPEAKER_2>I'm the place.

00:26:45.010 --> 00:26:49.570

<v SPEAKER_2>If you go to goodeyeforfree.com, forward slash start, get my easy start guide.

00:26:49.690 --> 00:26:55.510

<v SPEAKER_2>It's just one page and it's a PDF and it'll walk you through some of the basics, like how to hold your baby, you know, stuff like that.

00:26:55.530 --> 00:26:57.630

<v SPEAKER_2>What a signal is before easy catches.

00:26:57.970 --> 00:26:59.050

<v SPEAKER_2>Those are also in my podcast.

00:26:59.070 --> 00:27:02.590

<v SPEAKER_2>If you want to binge listen, you can totally listen to the Go Diaper Free podcast and find all the things.

00:27:02.930 --> 00:27:09.050

<v SPEAKER_2>But the easiest way is going to be to get my book, which is also at goodeyeforfree.com or on Amazon.

00:27:09.410 --> 00:27:17.110

<v SPEAKER_2>And it comes with coach support and it comes with an audiobook because we, I mean, like I haven't picked up and read a full paperback since I started having babies 13 years ago.

00:27:17.510 --> 00:27:17.930

<v SPEAKER_2>Same.

00:27:17.950 --> 00:27:19.230

<v SPEAKER_2>So audiobook is pretty helpful, right?

00:27:19.610 --> 00:27:22.490

<v SPEAKER_2>And video library, so it shows you it in action.

00:27:22.750 --> 00:27:25.070

<v SPEAKER_2>And we have a really nice community of other parents doing it.

00:27:25.090 --> 00:27:31.110

<v SPEAKER_2>So like if you want to just like dip your toe in and see if it works or if this is something that you might want to do, get the free guide.

00:27:31.470 --> 00:27:36.910

<v SPEAKER_2>And if you're just like, no, I want to be out of diapers by walking and this sounds great and I want to align with my baby's development, get the book.

00:27:37.310 --> 00:27:38.230

<v SPEAKER_2>Those are the two places.

00:27:38.250 --> 00:27:42.870

<v SPEAKER_2>And then you can find me everywhere else too, just for random entertainment, Instagram's fun, whatever.

00:27:42.890 --> 00:27:44.370

<v SPEAKER_1>I love your podcast too.

00:27:44.390 --> 00:27:47.010

<v SPEAKER_1>I was actually listening to your podcast the other day and I was like, it's not Andrea.

00:27:47.030 --> 00:27:50.510

<v SPEAKER_1>So you have coaches that, is one of your coaches actually doing your podcast now?

00:27:50.890 --> 00:27:52.410

<v SPEAKER_2>She was, Nicole was up until recently.

00:27:52.810 --> 00:27:55.610

<v SPEAKER_2>And now we're actually starting the whole thing over.

00:27:55.630 --> 00:28:00.610

<v SPEAKER_2>We're keeping all of the episodes live, but so many people come and binge listen from the beginning.

00:28:00.630 --> 00:28:01.770

<v SPEAKER_2>So we're refreshing.

00:28:01.790 --> 00:28:06.390

<v SPEAKER_2>So I think we're like on podcast one, two or three at the time of this recording.

00:28:06.730 --> 00:28:10.770

<v SPEAKER_2>But yeah, all the episodes, there's like, oh, hundreds, 200.

00:28:10.790 --> 00:28:11.250

<v SPEAKER_1>It's wild.

00:28:11.250 --> 00:28:12.950

<v SPEAKER_1>People go back to the beginning of our podcast.

00:28:12.970 --> 00:28:14.350

<v SPEAKER_1>The first 20 are the most downloaded.

00:28:14.370 --> 00:28:16.530

<v SPEAKER_1>And I'm like, how do you, we're 450 episodes in.

00:28:16.790 --> 00:28:18.150

<v SPEAKER_1>Again, I could do another 450.

00:28:18.170 --> 00:28:20.870

<v SPEAKER_1>I got ideas, and so many people I want to interview and ideas to talk about.

00:28:20.890 --> 00:28:23.510

<v SPEAKER_1>I think it's such an interesting area, but you're right.

00:28:23.530 --> 00:28:25.050

<v SPEAKER_1>Some people are like, just give me the basics.

00:28:25.070 --> 00:28:26.830

<v SPEAKER_1>So I love that you lay it out there.

00:28:26.850 --> 00:28:27.730

<v SPEAKER_1>Give the people what they want.

00:28:28.110 --> 00:28:29.630

<v SPEAKER_2>We do, and we've got courses, programs.

00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:32.710

<v SPEAKER_2>We've got many courses on all the little details, but you don't have to start there.

00:28:32.730 --> 00:28:33.850

<v SPEAKER_2>You just start with the guide or the book.

00:28:34.150 --> 00:28:36.770

<v SPEAKER_2>Follow me on some kind of social at GoDiaperFree.

00:28:36.990 --> 00:28:41.910

<v SPEAKER_2>You'll see that it's possible and doable, and that people do it in all sorts of circumstances.

00:28:42.290 --> 00:28:44.430

<v SPEAKER_2>And we're like super non-judgmental over here.

00:28:44.670 --> 00:28:49.350

<v SPEAKER_2>We're just like, hey, if you look at it and you're like, I don't want to do it, then just wait 16, 18 months.

00:28:49.370 --> 00:28:49.970

<v SPEAKER_2>Do potty training.

00:28:49.970 --> 00:28:50.890

<v SPEAKER_2>I teach you how to do that too.

00:28:50.910 --> 00:28:51.810

<v SPEAKER_2>I have a book on that too.

00:28:52.170 --> 00:28:53.090

<v SPEAKER_1>I love that approach.

00:28:53.110 --> 00:28:54.270

<v SPEAKER_2>We want to make it accessible.

00:28:54.330 --> 00:28:55.730

<v SPEAKER_2>Just like wherever you're at.

00:28:55.970 --> 00:28:58.590

<v SPEAKER_1>And there's already so much judgment in the parenting space.

00:28:58.670 --> 00:29:01.290

<v SPEAKER_1>I worked so hard to be the non-judgmental baby-led weaning lady.

00:29:01.310 --> 00:29:02.470

<v SPEAKER_1>Me too.

00:29:02.490 --> 00:29:03.430

<v SPEAKER_1>That's not what it's about.

00:29:03.450 --> 00:29:05.190

<v SPEAKER_1>It's not about telling people what they shouldn't be doing.

00:29:05.210 --> 00:29:07.270

<v SPEAKER_1>It's like, hey, here's all the food your baby can be eating.

00:29:07.290 --> 00:29:08.690

<v SPEAKER_1>Hey, here's all the things your baby can be doing.

00:29:08.950 --> 00:29:10.510

<v SPEAKER_1>If you want me to show you how to do it, I can.

00:29:10.710 --> 00:29:12.390

<v SPEAKER_1>I have to say though, your community is amazing.

00:29:12.410 --> 00:29:16.170

<v SPEAKER_1>I have met so many moms from your community or our community.

00:29:16.350 --> 00:29:17.930

<v SPEAKER_1>There's a lot of overlap there.

00:29:17.990 --> 00:29:20.730

<v SPEAKER_1>And so I was asking, how did you learn about my program?

00:29:20.750 --> 00:29:22.350

<v SPEAKER_1>How did you learn about the 100 First Foods approach?

00:29:22.650 --> 00:29:25.310

<v SPEAKER_1>Like so many people, oh, Andrea Olson, go diaper free.

00:29:25.330 --> 00:29:27.230

<v SPEAKER_1>And I've been on your show at least once.

00:29:27.250 --> 00:29:28.970

<v SPEAKER_1>I know that you've been on our show before.

00:29:29.210 --> 00:29:33.490

<v SPEAKER_1>But I think a lot of parents that are interested in, it's like sometimes it sounds really complicated.

00:29:33.510 --> 00:29:34.970

<v SPEAKER_1>It's actually like super basic.

00:29:35.310 --> 00:29:36.410

<v SPEAKER_1>My own mom kind of makes fun of me.

00:29:36.430 --> 00:29:41.130

<v SPEAKER_1>She's a dietitian and she's like, I cannot believe that you have an entire career focused around teaching parents how to just let their babies eat real food.

00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:46.290

<v SPEAKER_1>I was like, dude, mom, parents have anxiety from like all this stuff, a lot of which is caused by, as you say, the money.

00:29:46.310 --> 00:29:57.790

<v SPEAKER_1>Like follow the money, like the formula marketing, and then trying to make you think that you need toddler formulas, and then thinking you need pouches, and you need all these teethers, and then these little silly supplement packets that you mix in to introduce allergenic foods.

00:29:57.810 --> 00:29:59.550

<v SPEAKER_1>Like just feed your baby food.

00:29:59.830 --> 00:30:01.570

<v SPEAKER_1>A parent's like, now I'm so confused, I don't know how to do that.

00:30:01.590 --> 00:30:02.810

<v SPEAKER_1>It's like, okay, here, here's how you do it.

00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:04.690

<v SPEAKER_1>Here's how you help your baby just go to the bathroom.

00:30:05.450 --> 00:30:05.910

<v SPEAKER_1>Exactly.

00:30:06.310 --> 00:30:10.470

<v SPEAKER_2>This is like how we were created, how the human is supposed to be tended to.

00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:12.930

<v SPEAKER_2>We're basically going back to the basics.

00:30:13.650 --> 00:30:16.770

<v SPEAKER_2>I think it's important to know that you don't have to do this all or nothing.

00:30:17.050 --> 00:30:18.750

<v SPEAKER_2>Kind of like what you're inferring.

00:30:18.950 --> 00:30:22.350

<v SPEAKER_2>You don't have to do EC all day every day and just stare at your baby and wait for them to poop or pee.

00:30:22.550 --> 00:30:25.430

<v SPEAKER_2>You can literally just catch the poops in the potty and you will thank me.

00:30:25.450 --> 00:30:26.790

<v SPEAKER_2>You will write me a DM.

00:30:26.810 --> 00:30:27.810

<v SPEAKER_2>You will be like, thank you.

00:30:27.870 --> 00:30:29.650

<v SPEAKER_2>I don't have to clean up poopy diapers anymore.

00:30:29.970 --> 00:30:35.630

<v SPEAKER_2>But most parents don't realize that you can just have them go in the morning for their wake up pee and that counts.

00:30:36.110 --> 00:30:38.850

<v SPEAKER_2>Then when you get to potty training age, it'll be a joy.

00:30:38.870 --> 00:30:48.550

<v SPEAKER_2>I've literally had testimonials where it's like, it was a breeze, it was three days, it was so easy because we'd already exposed them to the potty as a normal daily opportunity.

00:30:48.570 --> 00:30:49.750

<v SPEAKER_2>We call it a potty-tunity.

00:30:49.770 --> 00:30:54.530

<v SPEAKER_2>So like, there are so many ranges and we just want people to know about the option just like you.

00:30:54.890 --> 00:30:57.130

<v SPEAKER_2>Because if they know about it, they might actually want to do it.

00:30:57.330 --> 00:30:59.890

<v SPEAKER_1>Hey, we're going to take a quick break, but I'll be right back.

00:31:08.730 --> 00:31:10.143

<v SPEAKER_1>Tell me about Marilyn Starting Solid Foods.

00:31:10.163 --> 00:31:11.503

<v SPEAKER_1>Did you guys do Baby-Led Weaning?

00:31:11.523 --> 00:31:15.883

<v SPEAKER_1>What's your approach with number six as far as helping her transition off of breast milk and onto food?

00:31:16.303 --> 00:31:16.823

<v SPEAKER_2>Oh, man.

00:31:16.863 --> 00:31:21.883

<v SPEAKER_2>We had a rough time, a rough time with breastfeeding, probably because I'm old.

00:31:22.223 --> 00:31:24.963

<v SPEAKER_2>I'm not that old, but I'm 45, I'll just admit it.

00:31:25.523 --> 00:31:28.803

<v SPEAKER_2>And for some reason, she had tongue tie, lip tie, all that stuff.

00:31:28.823 --> 00:31:31.963

<v SPEAKER_2>And even after all that was resolved, we still had a really hard time.

00:31:32.243 --> 00:31:36.523

<v SPEAKER_2>I had in all sorts of holistic practitioners trying to figure it out.

00:31:36.923 --> 00:31:39.463

<v SPEAKER_2>My body was just like, this just isn't working.

00:31:39.463 --> 00:31:46.083

<v SPEAKER_2>So we intended on doing baby-led weaning exactly as you taught, but at four months, she was needing supplementation.

00:31:46.483 --> 00:31:53.163

<v SPEAKER_2>We kind of blended a little bit of the pouchy stuff, I hate to say it, but those don't even work because the hole's not small enough.

00:31:53.523 --> 00:31:55.703

<v SPEAKER_2>A little bit of formula, pumping.

00:31:56.163 --> 00:31:57.423

<v SPEAKER_2>We did a hodgepodge.

00:31:57.443 --> 00:31:58.283

<v SPEAKER_2>Oh, you're going to hate me.

00:31:58.423 --> 00:31:59.103

<v SPEAKER_2>We did everything.

00:31:59.203 --> 00:32:00.983

<v SPEAKER_2>But again, you're not judgmental, so you won't hate me.

00:32:01.003 --> 00:32:01.863

<v SPEAKER_2>Not at all.

00:32:01.883 --> 00:32:02.963

<v SPEAKER_1>Is she eating food now?

00:32:03.623 --> 00:32:06.043

<v SPEAKER_2>She is, and we actually do it the way you teach.

00:32:06.343 --> 00:32:08.623

<v SPEAKER_2>The pinky finger size, everything.

00:32:08.703 --> 00:32:09.443

<v SPEAKER_2>Thank you for that.

00:32:09.463 --> 00:32:10.663

<v SPEAKER_1>She's into that now.

00:32:11.083 --> 00:32:12.463

<v SPEAKER_2>She doesn't want to use a spoon.

00:32:12.483 --> 00:32:13.763

<v SPEAKER_2>We don't make her use a spoon.

00:32:13.783 --> 00:32:14.923

<v SPEAKER_2>We don't make her do a pouch.

00:32:14.943 --> 00:32:16.003

<v SPEAKER_2>She eats what we eat.

00:32:16.023 --> 00:32:17.603

<v SPEAKER_2>This girl eats gourmet food.

00:32:17.903 --> 00:32:23.183

<v SPEAKER_2>She eats basically every lunch is like rice, something I made in the air fryer, which I finally mastered.

00:32:23.523 --> 00:32:26.343

<v SPEAKER_2>So I make her like some spicy chicken thighs.

00:32:26.363 --> 00:32:27.283

<v SPEAKER_2>She loves it.

00:32:27.283 --> 00:32:28.283

<v SPEAKER_2>And she wants green beans.

00:32:28.303 --> 00:32:29.483

<v SPEAKER_2>She wants everything that we have.

00:32:29.663 --> 00:32:36.643

<v SPEAKER_2>So, once we got past that hump of like confusing, can't figure out, oh my gosh, my baby's weight and height is flatlining.

00:32:36.663 --> 00:32:39.163

<v SPEAKER_2>Like we are at a plateau and she's not growing.

00:32:40.563 --> 00:32:44.703

<v SPEAKER_2>She at six months, we were like, okay, let's do the thing.

00:32:44.723 --> 00:32:45.663

<v SPEAKER_2>Let's do the pinky thing.

00:32:45.983 --> 00:32:47.443

<v SPEAKER_2>And let's start letting her eat.

00:32:47.703 --> 00:32:49.163

<v SPEAKER_2>And my partner, it's his first baby.

00:32:49.183 --> 00:32:50.703

<v SPEAKER_2>He was like, she's choking.

00:32:50.723 --> 00:32:51.083

<v SPEAKER_2>She's choking.

00:32:51.103 --> 00:32:52.163

<v SPEAKER_2>I'm like, no, she's gagging.

00:32:52.343 --> 00:32:58.123

<v SPEAKER_1>The same one that let you have the baby poop on the plane at a couple weeks old is freaking out about the baby eating real food at six months.

00:32:58.943 --> 00:32:59.503

<v SPEAKER_1>He's a keeper.

00:32:59.523 --> 00:33:00.023

<v SPEAKER_1>I mean, keep him.

00:33:00.103 --> 00:33:00.443

<v SPEAKER_1>Keep him.

00:33:00.783 --> 00:33:01.343

<v SPEAKER_2>He's a keeper.

00:33:01.363 --> 00:33:02.543

<v SPEAKER_2>He was so worried about her.

00:33:02.563 --> 00:33:03.403

<v SPEAKER_2>I was like, trust me.

00:33:03.423 --> 00:33:04.883

<v SPEAKER_2>Katie told me it's okay to do this.

00:33:05.823 --> 00:33:06.443

<v SPEAKER_2>It's gag.

00:33:06.603 --> 00:33:10.823

<v SPEAKER_1>But also, if you're not going to be supportive, you are welcome to leave the room and you can come back when she's better at eating.

00:33:12.063 --> 00:33:12.603

<v SPEAKER_2>Exactly.

00:33:12.743 --> 00:33:14.683

<v SPEAKER_2>But no, she's 13 months old now.

00:33:14.943 --> 00:33:16.223

<v SPEAKER_2>She eats all regular food.

00:33:16.723 --> 00:33:24.283

<v SPEAKER_2>If you're feeling like, oh man, I can't do baby-led weaning perfectly, or I can't do infant potty training perfectly, or somebody's going to tell me I'm not doing it right.

00:33:24.303 --> 00:33:30.003

<v SPEAKER_2>I would say there is a whole menu of things out there, and we all have to do our best with what we've got.

00:33:30.423 --> 00:33:39.703

<v SPEAKER_2>But ideally, we do it the way Katie teaches, and we do it the way Andrea teaches, because we have studied this long enough to know what works and what doesn't work.

00:33:39.983 --> 00:33:47.703

<v SPEAKER_2>But man, I feel like a baby-led weaning dropout or failure, but at the same time, my baby is growing and she's normal now and it's great, and we're eating real food.

00:33:48.023 --> 00:33:48.663

<v SPEAKER_1>And that's what you want.

00:33:48.703 --> 00:33:50.123

<v SPEAKER_1>Those are the best testimonials for us.

00:33:50.343 --> 00:33:51.763

<v SPEAKER_1>This approach made my life so much easier.

00:33:51.763 --> 00:33:55.463

<v SPEAKER_1>I do not have time to hunt and peck around the internet and try to figure it out with all these confusing resources.

00:33:55.483 --> 00:33:57.243

<v SPEAKER_1>And I just want to make stuff simple for you.

00:33:57.423 --> 00:34:01.323

<v SPEAKER_2>And you're like, expose them to everything and all the foods and all that in your guides and all that stuff.

00:34:01.343 --> 00:34:02.383

<v SPEAKER_2>So helpful.

00:34:02.683 --> 00:34:03.163

<v SPEAKER_2>So helpful.

00:34:03.183 --> 00:34:05.543

<v SPEAKER_2>But especially I'm telling you the pinky thing does it.

00:34:06.003 --> 00:34:08.843

<v SPEAKER_1>I love that you went and had a baby at 45.

00:34:08.923 --> 00:34:13.083

<v SPEAKER_1>I have to say, I'm like, I thought you might have more babies, but you said you don't recommend it.

00:34:13.223 --> 00:34:15.083

<v SPEAKER_1>I don't recommend having seven kids, three and under.

00:34:15.163 --> 00:34:15.743

<v SPEAKER_1>Not ideal.

00:34:15.763 --> 00:34:17.163

<v SPEAKER_2>My buddy was like, are you kidding me?

00:34:17.283 --> 00:34:17.923

<v SPEAKER_2>We're doing this.

00:34:18.143 --> 00:34:19.083

<v SPEAKER_2>We're never doing this again.

00:34:19.103 --> 00:34:21.123

<v SPEAKER_2>And she was two pounds heavier than all my other babies.

00:34:21.363 --> 00:34:22.863

<v SPEAKER_2>And her head was an inch bigger around.

00:34:22.883 --> 00:34:24.343

<v SPEAKER_2>I was like, why is this so hard?

00:34:24.363 --> 00:34:27.863

<v SPEAKER_2>So I had her unassisted, you know, no midwife, no doctor, no nothing.

00:34:27.883 --> 00:34:28.743

<v SPEAKER_2>Just me and my partner.

00:34:28.763 --> 00:34:30.543

<v SPEAKER_2>Well, he was really freaked out about that one.

00:34:30.863 --> 00:34:32.723

<v SPEAKER_1>Oh, that's a different interview, Andrea.

00:34:34.083 --> 00:34:35.143

<v SPEAKER_2>But it was harder.

00:34:35.163 --> 00:34:36.543

<v SPEAKER_2>I was like, why is this taking so long?

00:34:37.383 --> 00:34:38.123

<v SPEAKER_2>It took two hours.

00:34:39.163 --> 00:34:40.203

<v SPEAKER_1>Oh my gosh.

00:34:40.323 --> 00:34:44.043

<v SPEAKER_1>I love you because I think your stuff is just so wild.

00:34:44.063 --> 00:34:44.683

<v SPEAKER_1>I love it.

00:34:44.983 --> 00:34:45.783

<v SPEAKER_1>Thank you so much.

00:34:45.783 --> 00:34:46.623

<v SPEAKER_1>I love chatting with you.

00:34:46.643 --> 00:34:48.083

<v SPEAKER_1>I think you are such a breath of fresh air.

00:34:48.103 --> 00:34:50.663

<v SPEAKER_1>We need more real life people in the baby space like you.

00:34:50.883 --> 00:34:51.803

<v SPEAKER_2>For real, right?

00:34:52.543 --> 00:34:53.383

<v SPEAKER_2>No judgment.

00:34:53.603 --> 00:34:54.823

<v SPEAKER_2>Just do what you can, girls.

00:34:54.863 --> 00:34:55.663

<v SPEAKER_2>And guess what?

00:34:55.783 --> 00:34:56.723

<v SPEAKER_2>We are made for this.

00:34:56.803 --> 00:34:57.983

<v SPEAKER_2>We have all the wisdom inside of us.

00:34:58.003 --> 00:35:01.123

<v SPEAKER_2>We just have to uncover it and take all the stupid money mongering.

00:35:01.143 --> 00:35:05.063

<v SPEAKER_1>I tell everybody about you because people will ask me about potty training.

00:35:05.083 --> 00:35:10.843

<v SPEAKER_1>I'm like, oh, you don't want to talk to me because I always waited till my kids were three because I can't handle it.

00:35:10.863 --> 00:35:11.443

<v SPEAKER_1>I'll feed them.

00:35:11.523 --> 00:35:13.703

<v SPEAKER_1>I'm great at feeding, but I stink at the other stuff.

00:35:13.723 --> 00:35:16.863

<v SPEAKER_1>And that's why I'm like, just go follow Andrea's stuff and don't do what I didn't.

00:35:17.063 --> 00:35:22.643

<v SPEAKER_2>I stink at baby sleep, so I finally bought a course this time and it actually worked and my baby is doing great.

00:35:23.263 --> 00:35:23.863

<v SPEAKER_1>There you go.

00:35:23.883 --> 00:35:24.883

<v SPEAKER_2>We all need help with something.

00:35:24.903 --> 00:35:26.143

<v SPEAKER_2>We're not all perfect at everything.

00:35:26.163 --> 00:35:28.103

<v SPEAKER_2>And nobody, if you're trying to be perfect, please just stop.

00:35:28.323 --> 00:35:29.563

<v SPEAKER_2>You are going to fail.

00:35:29.863 --> 00:35:31.363

<v SPEAKER_2>There's no perfection in parenting.

00:35:31.603 --> 00:35:32.563

<v SPEAKER_2>We can only do our best.

00:35:32.583 --> 00:35:35.243

<v SPEAKER_2>But hey, where you don't have potty training, I got you.

00:35:35.583 --> 00:35:38.363

<v SPEAKER_2>Where I don't have baby-led weaning, you got Katie, guys.

00:35:38.623 --> 00:35:43.243

<v SPEAKER_1>And I know you sell the tiny undies too, but tell me about what you also needed was a third business.

00:35:43.243 --> 00:35:45.163

<v SPEAKER_1>What are you doing in the mompreneur space right now?

00:35:45.583 --> 00:35:46.363

<v SPEAKER_2>Oh, it's super fun.

00:35:46.383 --> 00:35:47.803

<v SPEAKER_2>And so I have a passive income business.

00:35:47.823 --> 00:35:49.823

<v SPEAKER_2>So I work about three hours a day.

00:35:49.843 --> 00:35:52.863

<v SPEAKER_2>And then the rest of the time I spend with my kids, do whatever I want.

00:35:53.003 --> 00:35:54.343

<v SPEAKER_2>And I've done this for 13 years.

00:35:54.763 --> 00:36:04.423

<v SPEAKER_2>So I decided last year to start teaching other moms with small babies or with older babies or with children who are out of the house, how to start a passive income business too.

00:36:04.703 --> 00:36:08.663

<v SPEAKER_2>And that you can find at andreaolson.com, which is O-L-S-O-N.

00:36:08.663 --> 00:36:12.823

<v SPEAKER_2>I am not related to the Olson twins, for those of you who are alive in the 90s.

00:36:13.863 --> 00:36:16.083

<v SPEAKER_2>But it's O-L-S-O-N.

00:36:16.543 --> 00:36:18.883

<v SPEAKER_2>And yeah, we have lots of fun things we're doing over there.

00:36:18.903 --> 00:36:24.243

<v SPEAKER_2>But if you feel like you want to start a business and also have babies, that's what I teach as well.

00:36:24.263 --> 00:36:25.223

<v SPEAKER_1>I think you're amazing.

00:36:25.543 --> 00:36:28.523

<v SPEAKER_1>Sometimes I think you're lying when you say you only work three hours a day.

00:36:28.803 --> 00:36:30.343

<v SPEAKER_1>But I feel like you're probably not.

00:36:30.363 --> 00:36:34.223

<v SPEAKER_1>You just have figured out how to do a lot more in three hours than most of us can.

00:36:34.243 --> 00:36:35.443

<v SPEAKER_1>So I bow down to you.

00:36:35.483 --> 00:36:36.983

<v SPEAKER_1>I wish I could only work three hours a day.

00:36:37.243 --> 00:36:38.883

<v SPEAKER_2>You don't want to see me during those three hours though.

00:36:38.903 --> 00:36:41.423

<v SPEAKER_2>I am a machine and I do not like interruptions.

00:36:41.643 --> 00:36:44.603

<v SPEAKER_2>I'm just like, get it done because I know I'm going to get it done.

00:36:44.623 --> 00:36:46.143

<v SPEAKER_1>I did not go to the bathroom during the workday.

00:36:46.163 --> 00:36:47.783

<v SPEAKER_1>If you like drink water, it's like absolutely not.

00:36:47.803 --> 00:36:48.623

<v SPEAKER_1>I would have to go to the bathroom.

00:36:48.643 --> 00:36:51.263

<v SPEAKER_1>That would take like at least a total of 15 minutes throughout the course of a workday.

00:36:51.283 --> 00:36:51.723

<v SPEAKER_1>No, thank you.

00:36:51.923 --> 00:36:53.143

<v SPEAKER_2>No, wait, I call this my tiger time.

00:36:53.163 --> 00:36:54.063

<v SPEAKER_2>I'm like, this is my time.

00:36:54.403 --> 00:36:56.683

<v SPEAKER_1>Well, thank you for doing this interview during your tiger time.

00:36:56.703 --> 00:36:57.823

<v SPEAKER_1>I really appreciate it.

00:36:57.923 --> 00:36:59.763

<v SPEAKER_1>It's always a pleasure to chat with you.

00:36:59.783 --> 00:37:00.303

<v SPEAKER_2>I love your work.

00:37:00.323 --> 00:37:00.883

<v SPEAKER_2>I love your work.

00:37:00.903 --> 00:37:01.863

<v SPEAKER_2>I send everybody your way.

00:37:02.143 --> 00:37:02.703

<v SPEAKER_2>Keep it up.

00:37:02.723 --> 00:37:04.003

<v SPEAKER_2>You're doing amazing things.

00:37:04.023 --> 00:37:07.583

<v SPEAKER_2>Just teaching this thing that we all used to just know, just like me.

00:37:07.703 --> 00:37:08.103

<v SPEAKER_1>Exactly.

00:37:08.123 --> 00:37:09.163

<v SPEAKER_1>Even if my mom does think it's dumb.

00:37:10.743 --> 00:37:11.383

<v SPEAKER_2>Thanks, Andrea.

00:37:11.583 --> 00:37:12.103

<v SPEAKER_2>Thanks, Katie.

00:37:13.163 --> 00:37:14.783

<v SPEAKER_1>I hope you guys like that interview with Andrea.

00:37:14.783 --> 00:37:15.983

<v SPEAKER_1>I just let her talk.

00:37:16.003 --> 00:37:16.783

<v SPEAKER_1>She's fantastic.

00:37:17.043 --> 00:37:18.543

<v SPEAKER_1>I think she is a breath of fresh air.

00:37:18.823 --> 00:37:26.223

<v SPEAKER_1>Even if we don't always agree on everything, she is a wonderful source of knowledge about her very strange part of the internet, which is teaching parents how to make their babies go to the potty by themselves.

00:37:26.843 --> 00:37:33.343

<v SPEAKER_1>All of the things she talked about in her resources will be on the show notes for this page, which is at blwpodcast.com forward slash four three two.

00:37:33.363 --> 00:37:36.883

<v SPEAKER_1>Or if you just are lazy and look right below where you're listening to this, you can click links there as well.

00:37:37.043 --> 00:37:40.063

<v SPEAKER_1>A special thank you to our partners at AirWave Media.

00:37:40.423 --> 00:37:42.923

<v SPEAKER_1>They make podcasts that feature food and science and using your brain.

00:37:42.943 --> 00:37:44.923

<v SPEAKER_1>So if you like those things, check them out at AirWave.

00:37:44.943 --> 00:37:47.043

<v SPEAKER_1>We're online at blwpodcast.com.

00:37:47.243 --> 00:37:48.123

<v SPEAKER_1>Thanks so much for listening.

00:37:48.143 --> 00:37:49.103

<v SPEAKER_1>I'll see you guys next time.